"he's looking for that respect"...hey...smart guy...respect of 'what' exactly?.Man are you screwed up.Seriously...go look in the mirror and say to yourself..."I am God...you will bow down to me only...or I'll throw a temper tantrum"....geez..."looking for respect'...I don't NEED anyone's respect.EVER.Here or anyplace else.That'd be YOUR MO.Not mine.

If you aint right about somethin,by God nobody else is gonna be either.Grow up.And if you aint right,you're damn sure you're gonna twist yer BS comments so's you look right....loser.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 5:16 PM *

Then why you getting all upset for some heart attack? Concentrate on the OP's problem. I'm just wondering where your troubletree starts and ends? Have you worked in a pit and watched/learned from the suspension pro's? Can look at a tire and see what needs to be done? I can't.

I don't want any of this 'ask hub q&a' and now 'calling hub?' You have to earn that kind of respect. I think you are more demanding it? I could be wrong. Big diff either way. I've heard wee and 'the hand' suggest you sit down when you were at the pond. So it's not me only. I saw you were blown out of another site and I don't know? So you have a little history fella.

Now, we are done with this convo. Any OP is the hero in my book they have a problem. You make any comment you want. You fuk the walk up... We will try to tech an old dog a new trick. Beat it hard with rolled up shop man you will hear it from me... Nothing to do about growing up is more you better grow some knowledge is to keep that wallet in the back pocket and wrench some more. You lack experience with that reach around LOL

And without that roller change, Kruz... Shaft it again. You're so close is my guess at the forensics.

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/28/2013 @ 5:37 PM *

"Concentrate on the OP's problem"...you are looking in the mirror aren't you?Who started the shitslinging here?Me?..or you.You steered away from the problem,and aimed your confusion at me...cause you didn't have an answer...plain and simple.Save your excuses.They're like assholes...everyone has one.

"I don't want any of this 'ask hub q&a' and now 'calling hub?' You have to earn that kind of respect"...made sure you brought that back up,right?Who cares.I said what I said...and meant what I said.Read it...and take it for what it is....truth.PERIOD.

" I've heard wee and 'the hand' suggest you sit down when you were at the pond"...save it...I'm welcome over there...always....always have been.They had to start their own website to get away from jerks like you schmoe.False e-mails...multiple sign ins.Yer a snake...always and forever...two faced backstabbing snake...and a liar.No problem for you.Lie yer ass off...whatever works for ya.I wasn't in 'exile' bud....you were.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 5:43 PM *

LOL, greenie. I said roller locker plain and simple. This system is bulletproof. One failed part removes that equation.

Note 3 tie ins:

Shaft = No
Throwout arm = No
Needle Bearing = Yes

How many main parts make up bulletproof?

No Hub...I said roller bearing at the very beginning.That got twisted around nicely...by you naturally.Just as you're doing now...trying to 'prove' how many friggin 'parts' are in that unit.Who gives a shit....????I don't think you 'retired'...I think you got asked to leave with benefits cause everyone was afraid you'd go postal or somethin.It was their way of 'paying you off' to be 'not so angry' at em for gettin rid of ya.You're a nut case bottom line.You aint well.NOBODY could come up with the 'routines' you do and be actually sane.This isn't just entertainment....this is you.How you really are.Screwed up.Can't get along.Has to have your own way.Throws tantrums and disrespects others.Plots and plans behind a computer keyboard for the next display of sick and twisted logic.That's you....gonso baby.I saw your vids way back when when you were so pissed about me speaking up to you(with the Cam chain deal)....NOBODY acts like that unless something is seriously wrong.You....need help...course I'm sure you've been told this for ages....that's all I have to say about that....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 6:15 PM *

You're fixin to bug on outta here AGAIN aren't ya?You wanna be able to blame me(again)for your misbehavior.Sorry,as before...you make your own choices.I can look right through you pardner....same ole shit.You're bored and tired of this site...people aren't reacting like they used to....nobody's backin yer play.Go for it....play the fool....the only one missing out is YOU.This is old news here...this deal you're doing.OLD NEWS.I'm not surprised....it works everywhere you land.For a while.Then the storm blows over...you end up gone...everybody asks you to come back...you do...and start it all over again.How's THAT diagnosis?Sound about like I've got all the 'parts' in the unit?

Ya ever hear the term..."gotta GIVE respect to GET respect'?Try it sometime....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 6:18 PM *

They had to start their own website to get away from jerks like you schmoe.False e-mails...multiple sign ins.Yer a snake...always and forever...two faced backstabbing snake...and a liar.No problem for you.Lie yer ass off...whatever works for ya.I wasn't in 'exile' bud....you were.

LOL I knew that was you. I pride on being blown off sites. Why would I keep showing up? When I was booted it was one more trophy to put away in a box. That's my MO, guy. Why go back and they find out I'll still write my prose the same way. I think you just exposed yourself on that one... one more time. You're the one saying you have a job. And I've never seen so much time spent on line everyday is I'm retired, I have an excuse. You sound more like this quote you wrote.

Where and what is this job you have? Or is that 'working out for you' is lie about it?

Damn, and I was in the mood for pee say, how did you know?

You are assuming I'm leaving. Nope, as long as the password works... 'If it ain't broke... wezza gonna fix your wagon.'

Hey, go take a ride. Ain't nothing here for ya. I'll bet my password this roller problem is solved is how confident I am.

Where and what it is is none of your business.We KNOW you don't have a job...how could you?Wacko.Besides...I don't need to win or prove anything to you or anyone else...ever.I am a winner...and the rest of these guys here are also.There aint no runner uppers here...only in YOUR head.There's so much knowledge about these bikes here....way past anything you throw out there.They just keep to themselves and stay 'humble'....believe me...you aint all you portray....just your convoluted 'info' is so crazy....guys here take it for what it really is....entertainment...and lack of respect.Yeah...you're one of a kind alright."Trophy sites"...wow...what a fulfilling dream;)

"Hey, go take a ride"...I do...often as I can.Why,just today I had a way cool run...how about you pro?You get out today and push some?Or was it L3?.

"roller problem is solved is how confident I am"...not by you Mr Tech...not by you.

" wezza gonna fix your wagon.'"...still have that mouse in yer pocket eh?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 6:34 PM *

trying to 'prove' how many friggin 'parts' are in that unit.

Here is the abstract. I see 360 is the concept. You see me distort the info? No, I said 90 is the throw, not 360. So you have to show me wear @ 360 and I see wear only around 90 degrees. So you distorted how bulletproofunctions and I show fact at the shaft is not even at 180. So who distorted what? I more have to clean up your confusions are more pages that need not be.

Is that you or me being confused is part for part? Neck time, stretch things out into 3's so you can pinpoint to one. That's the trick to you, doggie. Play it out so we are not on each other playing you out.

Besides...I don't need to win or prove anything to you or anyone else...ever.

"No, I said 90 is the throw, not 360"...that's right..you did say it was a 'half lock bearing' or whatever the fuck you said about it.And I said...the rollers allow for a 360 degree turn(no restriction on the shaft turn)...you.....ah...whatever pro.

"I show fact at the shaft is not even at 180".... no shit...really?Gosh,I thought it turned all the way around with that there cable hooked to one end there...wow....what was I thinkin?Thanks for that 'fact' there...we wouldn't never got things worked out without knowing that from you.I only hope Kruz is 'smart enough' to reconnect that cable end in there....geez...he'll never get er to shift without that....right?

"Slow, did you speed up the video or WOT?' 'I knew it be all over the place is no one listens to turtle.' 'Kruz teach you how to dremel?Not' Teach you how to shape?Yeah right' 'Kruz offer you a cigar?' 'Not!"

" One must look "...yeah...that 'one' named HUb by any chance? YOU look at the 3 R's or whatever...meanwhile...me and Kruz'll take it from here.

The "hand"...why,he wouldn't be the same 'hand' that slapped you silly would he?Think I heard about that.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 7:03 PM *

And I said...the rollers allow for a 360 degree turn

So if you took a roller, would it spin 360 if the shaft moves 90? Or would the roller move 180? Then show me where the shaft is locking up if a roller wears more like a starter roller that moves one way, but you bust over that hump is pull the lever.

It sure was not the tech. Maybe how it's pee scented. So you are going to show how smooth you are or what? Someone should listen to how smooth your bike is with two closed air screws and you never been on a closed course to scrap pegs at a real sweeper and you are going to contribute smooth to either one. Clueless as you are is tell me I am wrong you forgot about the air screws not thinking and to think you know speed and have never been on a course to tell the difference.

I'm just saying little guy with big shoes is on par with what I said or am I a liar?

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/28/2013 @ 7:11 PM *

" Be smooth round in a 360 like a wheel"...wrong...you got it wrong what I said...ferget it.You go ahead...you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about...you're not the only thinker here...sorry.Or experienced either...so yammer on....excuse me while I go throwup over this...I should know better than to even get in a 'conversation' with you .

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 7:19 PM *

Wow, I leave you two alone and it's like romper room in here. Good thing no one else is following this thread. I think you're both right, upper needle bearing got jacked up somehow on the install, same gorilla that cross threaded my spring screw probably beat that needle bearing in there.
Here's what is not making any sense, that lever was free tonight cold, floppy in that freeplay like zero friction. Hot, same way, free. So what's the theory on the needles binding only when it cools down?

New lever showing needle bearing imprint in that surface coating.

Here's the old lever that's back in there now, wear looks smoother, maybe that black coating is soft and you get the needle imprint at point of contact until it wears away? Look at how the return spring leaves the same marks. You guys sure we're on the right track?

* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/28/2013 @ 8:32 PM *

@Mr. Caruso: if you can catch a finger nail on those needle marks of the new shaft then I think you have a bad needle bearing... either damaged from the manufacturer or damaged during install.

I realize replacement is a PITA but the wear pattern on both shafts troubles me.

As hag stated, it's going to be a pita to either install the bearings and buy the tools to remove/install, i.e., expensive for a one time job, or you buy the cover or have the dealer call the rep and see if you can get the cover for a goodwill price. Some sort of 'I felt this at the beginning, why with all those test rides out the crate did anyone catch this is now it is catching down the road now.'

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/28/2013 @ 9:09 PM *

Yep, It's starting to look that way, here's the lower needle wear pattern on the same shaft, about one hour of operation. Looks very different, kind of a lightly burnished look.

Here's the upper needle surface, I need a magnifying glass but it appears the metal is rolling or galling.

If this is it, do we give partial credit to both Hubster and Grn?

Well, that metal is galled on the new shaft, looks like it's trying to weld itself together, too bad we didn't catch this in the beginning. Go back to page 3, I posted a picture of that shaft and commented it was heavily worn.

It took the new one to see that wear pattern though, sometimes you just have to go through the whole drill.

I'm convinced we've found the problem but still don't get why it's smooth hot or cold but only sticks on the cool down cycle.

There isn't. What all this heat and cold is was that day you felt it and it was not even being ripped up. So we 3degree it:

Cable = No
Perch = No
Arm pivot swing = No

That is the outside part of it. Now for the inside.

U hang up cold or hot = No
Throwout and U look; like it was bulletproof since day one? Yes.
Bearings about the only thing left if you have zip clutch slip? Yep.

So are we getting closer to the bearing?

Springs make a difference? No.
New shaft on and old bearing make a difference? No.
If the bearings and throwout are the only bullets left in the theory, we back to bearings being torn up, worn out (cough) do to cold (insert of the bearing(s)? You tell me?

Well, I'm going to lift up your skin and insert salt in the wound.

WEre both tires rolling at the same time? Yes
Even though one looks good and the other needs a microscope to the needles, you see steps in the front wheel? Yes
Would I see that scrub I did with the rear tire, now see those steps and my rear tire is ready to plow it into a turn like the steps will hold all half worn out vs. perform the same heavy handing of my new rear tire? No.

Last NOLTT...

Rub both hands together real fast. OK.
Did one hand stay cold as if no friction was applied? I don't know. My hands are in the forest and I can't see them?
No, I said, can you fell the friction wear on both items is just change one and see if it pee forums like... Feels like? Looks like new? You mean preforms like a new tire? Yes, in my world yes. My used front is going to pee forum like a lawn chair I'll be heading that way shortly.