Scott, Im in roseville

oh im 4 hrs n.w. of ya well if ya take a fall color ride up north drop me a line not many 14's up here(2 that ive seen)could hook up and ride the up

I was sure the DynoJet auto link software was going to take all the "black magic" out of tuning but it seems like it poses more questions than it answers

pc5 with auto-tune actually works really well once you get use to how to work the tuning part .. but its not a plug and forget tuning box .. the bazzaz i had on the busa was great also .. it kept getting stronger runs everytime i changed a/f settings and resetting maps ..

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 9/23/2009 @ 6:08 AM *

Kruz, we have a guy in Cape Town who races (and is reasonably good) who has a tuning shop with a dynojet, but his streetbikes are not so hot as I raced a ZX14 tuned by him (PC, filter,Arata and no flies)with the only mods to my bike being the BMC filter and the full Arata system, and I beat him quite easily up to 260 when we tapped off. We raced from 2nd gear. Ironically, I have done exactly the same to my bike now and it has really disappointed me. I think the single biggest 'worth it' mod was removing the flies. I have raced a bunch of bikes (us South African's are speed crazy) and the standard 14 with a filter and Yoshi slipons seems to be the best combination for roll-on and mid range. How often do we really go 300 and for how long? Nice to have the bragging rights and be able to back it up, but I reckon a strong mid-range is far better. So, after this long story, I am seriously disappointed.

I agree with the slipons being the best for street riding Harley. I was going to go full system but after seeing the performance graphs went slips on the 14 and never regretted it. I have never been to 300 klicks, been to 270 a few times and that was enough for me. The strong low and midrange though, I use that everytime I get on the bike. The CBR I'm about done with, in retrospect, the full system was probably a mistake. I went back to my old map yesterday, it's not perfect but it's probably as good as it's going to get. Topend is great, midrange is strong but it flat spots at around 4000 right were you need it in traffic. I call it the "black hole", all the 4 into 1s do it on this engine. Once you get into second gear though you 'll never see 4000 again so it's liveable.

Kruz

"P.S. emailed jeff this a.m. and still no reply."

$50 might just lay out your 0toWOT setup for the groupthink. I think others have been saying to check the 2% is gonna go tuning exposing on here. $50 says a set of spark plugs is a deal @ $60 a set and no labor to install or should we add that up too? PAY UP is a beach!

I'd more want to hang you buy the balls, you do not resolve this with, Monster. Dis ear place is hard-core do not mess with the tech or you will PAY! PAzYearazzUP and now go look that up. We are now playing hardball.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/23/2009 @ 7:05 AM *

Yes Hub he has called me and sent a email, offering to try to fix the map or try a new one, I am not interested in "experimenting" with my bike, it cost to much.
He has NOT offered to pay for my plugs or refund my $50 dollars for the shitty unusable map he gave me.....oh well guess it's one of those 110 dollar life lessons:)

Yes Hub he has called me and sent a email, offering to try to fix the map or try a new one, I am not interested in "experimenting" with my bike, it cost to much.
He has NOT offered to pay for my plugs or refund my $50 dollars for the shitty unusable map he gave me.....oh well guess it's one of those 110 dollar life lessons:)

If it makes you feel any better Monster14 (misery loves company) I had to bail out on 'ol Jeffo too. He did try to work with me but the second map was worse than the first, low end response all but gutted, the CBR ran like a 600. At some point you have to cut your losses and move on..... I was just hoping to make it home without fouling a plug last night, so rich at idle (+15% fuel at 0%TP)I was chokin on gas fumes....no 3' flames though! I'm done with the "experiment". I, like you thought I was getting a tested, proven map developed on the same bike with identical equipment....apparently not the case. It felt good to just put my old map back in and get all the power back. Sorry, you had such a bad time of it but sometimes you just gotta take your lumps and move on.

Kruz

I'd more want to hang you buy the balls, you do not resolve this with, Monster. Dis ear place is hard-core do not mess with the tech or you will PAY! PAzYearazzUP and now go look that up. We are now playing hardball.

I'd save my breath Hub, he's long gone...... loaded up his wagon and pulled outta Dodge.

Kruz

"I am not interested in "experimenting" with my bike, it cost to much."

I should be paying you for the R&D is 50 bucks says no way on a Pc5 = Jet engine learning curve on your dime? Ah, I don't think so. I'd eat the 50 knowing my customer base is going to go south for a few bucks? Maybe I'm wrong about what is the "principal" of the point here.

Kruz, You Tex Ass Boys crack me UP!

FORK over the goods = HOW TO: Some with the knife edge keystroke is no joke. Elixirated or raped the Mon Store Dickiss my rump pull still skin left on my ass is tear a bite out of it.

Clock INN Spill the $50 blunder or PM me and I will write the how-to 0-WOThe Fukiss going on with the ACCEL You Laid Her. You get fucked...... Triple Fuck Them BACKATCHA!

PM me the goods and I will freshen myself up at DJ, read their instructions and WALL LAAAAAAAA, AH Ha!

Here is my theory after experiencing Jeffo's maps. He starts with a zero map, you can't go wrong here. It's like starting with a good base stock of ethyl alchohol when you make up a batch of snake oil....if all else fails it'll still get you drunk and most folks won't complain. Even with a full system and aircleaner it will run half decent on the zero map. He then adds some signature tweeks to make it look a bit different from the zero map, even Rottie could do this. I learned something here, you can screw up 15% or more either way and the engine will still start and run. You could put a monkey on the keyboard and as long as he didn't deviate too far from the zero map the engine would run. It may run like crap but it will run. Successor to Ivan is born! When I opened the FAIC map file the first time I knew the map was not going to work right. His theory is that the graphs should be linear for smooth throttle response. Sounds good on paper but in reality a tuned exhaust is a complex accoustic device with scavenging and reversion waves of varying magnitudes moving up and down the pipe at different rpms. Nature doesn't care about nice straight lines on a graph, volumetric efficiency (cylinder charging) is not linear with rpm. The Yoshi 4 into 1 creates a reversion wave at 4000 rpm, you can see it in the dyno charts as a pronounced torque dip, you can feel it, you can hear the resonance in the pipe quite clearly and you can see the reduction in fuel at 4000 rpm on everyones map except Jeffo's. Could this be why Jeffo's map felt neutered on low end, like a 600 would have pulled me out of the hole? Jeffo, if you are going to offer "Custom" map service, do the right thing. Buy, beg or borrow a motorcycle with the equipment and actually map that machine so that it runs properly. When someone calls you and says they have mods on there you don't know anything about, don't BS them and tell 'em your map is one size fits all. If you are going to experiment at the owners expense (Monster14) be upfront so they at least know what they are getting into. We shouldn't have to pay the bill for your education. One last thing Jeffo...customer service. Having good responsive customer service is great, nobody would disagree here. But first you gotta have a good product to support. I'd rather have an awesome product with no customer support anyday over a sorry product with great support.

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/23/2009 @ 9:27 AM *

Rotty had me laughing with the coach work. I may call dunkin doe nuts, "Coach."

Ah, that was a good write, Professor. So, the professor and the coach is cock care roach is my take; If DJ has the accel walk and the 2% 0toWOT, there is no way Jeffo owns what he clicks off monkey style. You can go up to the top right hand corner and click on that red X that you see on your screen. That is one keystroke to the same software Window's writes. If you hold ctrl and press F4, that is another way to remove the browser you are looking at. Press start, click 'turn off computer' and is that not a 3rd way to do the exact same thing, Jeffo did not rewrite the DJ programming. All he found were 2 other ways or say the DJ way, Jeffo's way and now there is a 3rd way but you have yet to see it.

So, no, Jeffo owns zero rights to anything DJ has already programmed as if you can change Windows. Get it? It's like saying, I am going to glue my shoes to the ceiling, step in them and now turn the light switch on in this direction as if I can change what is an on or off switch.

One moment while I check sir......yes, we have that map in stock for immediate delivery!

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/23/2009 @ 2:19 PM *

Hahaha now thats funny!!

Jeffo...........Jeffo are you still there? Hub.......... I think you done run Jeffo off.

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/23/2009 @ 2:24 PM *

it kept getting stronger runs everytime i changed a/f settings and resetting maps

sounds like play sea bow affect dare Rottie....u got $50? I got just Watt you are looking 4.

Kruz

Successor to Ivan is born!

Kruz, some funny stuff here ....even if you are teasing.... Ivan owns, rides and tunes with a zx-14, THE END. It will always beg the Question, Who do you trust? I think jeffo has helped us even tho it is starting to sound like the opposite. My hat goes off to anyone that is helping. Some of the guys here are happy and Jeff promises to help the rest.... He is trying? It is easy for us to sit in the cheap seats and put the guy down but what do we have to offer.....I know, it's nothing. I wish we could post maps here. I would show you guys what works for me. If all of us did the same with different altitudes we could have one hell of a map base to work from, then all this map crap would end. But, 4 now I will always keep an open mind.....What if it worked and I didn't try?

If you guys really want to post maps here, I can set it up so that you can.

We talked about this once before and several of the folks here freaked out thinking that maps would be posted that shouldn't be posted. Jeff's license says that his maps shouldn't be posted, and then there's Brock, Muzzy and all the rest.

Whaddyasay? -bg

We gave our word. Thats where this dies. Just a Dream.

If I had the PC 5 I would post all MY OWN auto tuned maps(alt,air temp incl.)Just so others my have a map to compare with or try.Just so they would have a option if their current maps were giving trouble. I'm curios what you guys think of this remark. Now that Dyno jet has offered this option to all, please explain why not? Holy Grail? Lets take a peek ? No ?

^^ I'll do that with my autotune map when i get everything set up. Only problem is I will be about the only guy with the pipe I will be running and that is going to make a big dif for the guys who have stocks or slipons. Also, it may be colder weather when I complete my first map and that will have an influence.

Only problem is I will be about the only guy with the pipe I will be running and that is going to make a big dif for the guys who have stocks or slipons. Also, it may be colder weather when I complete my first map and that will have an influence.

Great news Rook, It's a start. Which pipes did you decide on?

Kruz, some funny stuff here ....even if you are teasing....

On the matter of Jeffo, I'm not angry at all, I try to never hold a grudge against anyone. If Jeffo tried to give me my money back I wouldn't take it... the sheer entertainment value has been worth every penny. Jeffo.. if you're listening.....all is forgiven, you can come back now.

Kruz