"I have NO idea how it could be off"....it could be 'off' because the axle wasn't installed all the way into the left side adjuster block.And it turned...as you mentioned...Not only that...but you guys see the mangled nut.

Here's what I think happened.Aside from the guy not getting that caliper arm in there on install...bad enough...BUT,when he went to put the nut and pin in there,he didn't have the axle all the way in...so trying to tighten that nut was a real bitch...he finally was able to get the hole lined up...but by that time...he damaged the nut.How could it tighten up without spinning as you said?It COULD IF the other side was gouging into the edge of the block.That's the pic I wanted to see..that left side there...or a pic of the left side axle flange on the inside surface.Can you imagine what COULD have happened if(as I say)that left side 'finally' managed to pull into the block as it should....you'd have an axle that was completely loose as far as letting the wheel move right or left possibly in the swingarm...even if those spacers and all were still in there...that wheel could move sideways....imagine what THAT could have done?I think this thread is relevant to the original post.It's not about the caliper being not right.This is about getting the axle incorrectly installed..and what could happen.This proves in my mind anyway...that it COULD be installed wrong...and who knows WHAT might happen.

Zone said..."The adjuster bolt looks fine".Okay...to you it does..that's cool.But to me...it looks JUST LIKE ONE I FORCED into the bolt hole...and BENT the shaft.I did.Trying to adjust my axle.Against a locked axle nut.The point being...his brake slamming into the top of the swingarm...then locking the brake...and forcing that axle to 'turn' with nowhere to go....bending that adjuster bolt...It doesn't appear to be tweaked...but I'm tellin ya here...it looks just like mine did....bent.And there had to be a lot of force happening to cause that.Forward force.I'm suggesting...IF that axle was correctly in there...and yet that right side end is "turned' like that...what does THAT suggest?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/7/2012 @ 1:08 AM *

I've compared the above pic of the slack adjuster to one of Rooks in the chain tutorial.
Rooks has a smidge more bolt exposed. Compared to the 14R both Chucks and Rooks adjusters look like
they are screwed in too far... but that comparison may be misleading. The 14R swing arm is 10mm longer.

we would need to see the left side to see if the spacer is chewed up. The nut clearly isn't messed up when the caliper bracket is done wrong, but it is messed up when the caliper bracket was "supposed" to have been fixed. In all the times I've had my wheel off, I didn't think it could go back together wrong, yet I did it, teh last time. so who knows what is done wrong/right now, unless we see a bunch of pictures of both sides.

Hagrid,

I just looked at my adjuster on my 08, and its about the same length as Chucks is.

I also installed mine 180 degrees out one time.I caught it...probably would have been fine.BUT....the locknut will NOT tighten to the same hole pattern as it does factory sent.That's ONE thing about mentioning the 'amount of threads" I was noticing on his one pic.Looking straight in at it...you can't actually tell how many threads are showing.You see a cotter pin going through 'off perpendicular'...but the depth you can't see.And that was kinda my first observation...the axle wasn't in all the way.The locknut flats were angled as well.To me...something VERY wrong.It's not just the flats that are 'off'...it's also,the cotter pin hole...it's not going perpendicular either...it's turned a bit.And THAT means something possibly VERY seriously wrong.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/7/2012 @ 12:52 AM *

I also installed mine 180 degrees out one time.I caught it.

what was 180* out?

it looks JUST LIKE ONE I FORCED into the bolt hole...and BENT the shaft.I did.Trying to adjust my axle.Against a locked axle nut.The point being...his brake slamming into the top of the swingarm...then locking the brake...and forcing that axle to 'turn' with nowhere to go....bending that adjuster bolt...It doesn't appear to be tweaked...but I'm tellin ya here...it looks just like mine did....bent.And there had to be a lot of force happening to cause that.Forward force.I'm suggesting...IF that axle was correctly in there...and yet that right side end is "turned' like that...what does THAT suggest?

okay, when I look at it 100 times, its possible that the adjusting bolt looks "off" maybe bent, maybe the picture. But I can see what you mean.

I don't know if that bracket turning would do anything to the axle. It floats on the axle. with out taking mine loose and playing with it. Mine went 50 feet and locked the brakes when the hose kinked. I honestly don't know if that put extra stress on anything or not. Course its 3 AM on the east coast, so I might not be thinking about it 100% correctly ((-::

Turned 180 out of factory placement.That axle goes in there two ways...but ONE way is factory set...the CORRECT way.I don't mean...the locknut and all on the other side.It can be installed that way if a guy wants....Romans did it...IDK if he ever had any trouble with it like that....I was gonna..then decided against it.But the axle can be rotated 180 out....and the threads and such will NOT line up the same...the nut will have to be turned more or less to get it to line up to the vertical pin hole...OR....the horizontal pin hole.One way is factory...the other is....possibly NOT safe?IDK.I never saw anything in the manual about..."if the hole doesn't line up with factory torque....choose the other pin hole and insert cotter pin in that one"...I couldn't find it.Maybe it IS in there.But I think the manual 'completed'picture is what it's SUPPOSED to look like...not something else.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/7/2012 @ 1:05 AM *

I can tell you're getting what I'm saying.You see what I'm saying....That whole thing has been twisted somehow....THat's what I think...whether it had something to do with an axle not fully seated and mickey moused.IDK...the damaged nut.The forced cotter pin(IMO)The lack of threads.If it WAS seated..then that right side 'geometry' of the stuff there means....what?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/7/2012 @ 1:17 AM *

I was never aware that the axle had 2 different ways to go in. Even the service manual makes no mention of it. I don't see how it could make any difference. The axle is straight, so as long as the 2 flats on the left are inside the adjuster, it should be fine.

and yes, I agree, I'd like to see some more/better pictures of Chucks because something is possibly not right.

I know...I get ya...but believe me...I had mine turned 180 out...and I couldn't get the axle nut pin slot to line up like it did before.It was gonna take either WAY more force to get to the 'next' slot,OR....loosening it,backing off,and getting the 'next' closest slot lined up.Either way...it wasn't gonna be right.But turning it 180 back again like it was...the bolt lined up fine...the torque was correct,and it had the right amount of threads and pin slip to not have to force anything anywhere.When I got my new bike...I went alkl around it...and everywhere there was a bolt that might need loosening or removal...I took a file,and scored a line...a small one...just so I would have NO doubts about HOW the fastener or whatever was supposed to end up at when correctly installed.For this VERY REASON...especially the front axle/locknut position,and the REAR axle/locknut position.It can be installed INCORRECTLY...yet appear fine on the surface.

You know,this whole deal about fitment and all...I'll say...to me...if it were my bike,as long as that left side adjuster block was okay..even if the axle flange somehow gouged it..as long as they couldn't move after tightening...then I'd personally be okay with it not lining up perfectly vertical on that other side.BUT...IF that side was in there all the way...and the right side was tweaked as it looks to me...I'd have to remove my axle...and get a new one.To me...it looks like the axle has been twisted....that could ONLY happen if it was fully seated.And the brake caliper somehow forced that area of the axle to turn as it turned.IDK...I would be hoping that it just wasn't fully in the adjuster block on that left side...and the whole axle turned just a bit.But even so...HOW could that axle turn from a brake caliper riding over it?THAT I don't get.To me...it's clear that it wasn't seated all the way in that left side.Tightening it caused it to slightly turn.VERY SHODDY WORK...and DAMN dabgerous if ya ask me.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/7/2012 @ 1:28 AM *

I'm done....Glad ya got er fixed....CHUCK-A

guys that was me who mangled the lug nut , yes i did use a pipe wrench and moved the caliper, but then i brought it to the shop and they removed the tire and reinstalled the slot into the frame, and then reatightened the nut with a torgue wrench and then reinstalled the new cotter pin, havent driven the bike yet except for a riding it from the shop, felt fine, and i will keep an eye on it, thanks again.

The ONLY way that bracket could have turned like that was if it wasn't in the slot when the rear wheel was installed. PLEASE get yourself a service manual and NEVER take it to the shop that did the tire change again.

Mad

"NEVER take it to the shop that did the tire change again"....2nd that...but I think he said he recieved it like that when he bought it?.Maybe I misread.

"PLEASE get yourself a service manual"...2nd.3rd..4th...yup.Rear stand...learn to do it yourself if ya really want to be sure about stuff...unless you DO trust your mechanic.There are some great Kawasaki mechs out there.

Exactly that is the way it was when i got it, and since i hit the rear brakes hard the brake caliper must of twisted, found out that the slot wasnt properly in place , only have driven the bike once since this has happened, it has been raining or plain miserable here in NY, the weather has been very nasty indeed

You know what? I think we need a category where Hub and Grn can just yell at each other and tell each other to fuck off. I'll bring the pop corn.

Mad

why???/
they both were very helpful, they both gave me their own opinions on what happened and i appreciated it, why stir the pot when all is good
very sad, indeed

why???/
they both were very helpful, they both gave me their own opinions on what happened and i appreciated it, why stir the pot when all is good
very sad, indeed

Mad? Are you still here? There IS nothing to see. The OP is riding. No problems, man. Case closed... Chuck? Keep Mad waiting here. Party at Ivan's... You know... Knock 3-times.

will do, and also thanks for your help

No prob, Chuck. BTW, Hub in vette speak are your wheel bearings to your car. I tried wrenching cars for a few years at a chevy dealer. They threw the heavy line at me. So, those rears were a little tango dance; the fronts were a piece of cake all day long. So as the service work was pee fourm'd, this was checking the car for any "up sells;" which is a term for a safety issue write it down on the work order. It was found during the proct exam the car was getting. The car acts up, throw it at me. It's just an opinion.

just put all the tires on the vert last year they only have 150 miles on them , they cost me a arm and a leg 1900$




heres some more pics it rides nice, but can bite if you treat her wrong

Here's the trick:

Tires off ground ~ Hands at 12 and 6 ~ Any movement in the push forward, pull back motions = Needs center hubs. The 9 to 3 hand move is too much linkage at the steering. So if it moves at 12/6 it will move at the 3/9. Rears are different. No steering back there so the clock hands work both ways to tell the difference.

No aftermarket or rebuilds. Gotta be OEM if you want what standards of quality are way better standards than the aft/rebuilds. They don't last as long. So that extra money is well spent. Ha! They were $400 a side in the early 90'. Probably $600 now?

yea the corvette has all Chevy parts, nothing that doesnt belong, the freaking vert sounds great it has a corsa exhaust with x pipe , freaking sweet.

yea the corvette has all Chevy parts, nothing that doesnt belong, the freaking vert sounds great it has a corsa exhaust with x pipe , freaking sweet.