Yes i do look at my bike, the caliper was tucked underneath and it must have happened when i hit the brakes hard, even on my pictures when i first purchased you can see the caliper was in that spot, and you can even see that it wasnt in the right spot, let me see if i can find the pictures

you can see in these pics that the caliper is not all the way were its supposed to be, but since the bike stopped and ran fine i didnt pay it no mind

ChuckA,

as long as its right now, you are good to go. I've had 2 ZX-14's, and had the back wheel off toooo many times, and never had a problem. Yet last week I somehow managed to put it back on wrong, and had mine spin up just like yours. Happened in the driveway, and locked the rear brake, so glad it happened at 5 mph not 50 or more. No big deal, pulled the wheel and di it right did damage the rear hose, and I replaced with SS. Otherwise, no harm no foul, Everyone learns from it. I lost track of what they were yelling about. If the head of your axle is all the way into the left side, and the nut is torqued to spec, and you see about 3 threads beyond the end of the nut, you are good to go. Cotter pin looks fine to me, at 12 and 6 oclock. pictures aren't always taken straight, so I'm giving you thebenefit of the doubt that your left side looks like teh posted pics.

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thanks it does fit well besides if my tire was not on right, wouldnt the chain and the tire not be straight? thanks again cant wait to take the beast out for a ride, hoping for some nice weather here in NY

As long as your left side looks like the pictures Rook posted (see below), your axle is in right.

* Last updated by: zone5 on 6/6/2012 @ 10:04 PM *

Ya...you inherited a bike that was NOT okay in that respect.As far as the axle goes...my observation was NOT meant as a 'reason' for the caliper screw up.The pics Chuck posted at the beginning showing the caliper...that's when I noticed the axle thing.But NOW it is apparently done right...so it will be 'looking' right..because it IS right..Having an axle even not fully seated would not cause the wheel itself to move forward or backward...the blocks would stop that.But it was something that perhaps others MIGHT not notice maybe when reinstalling an axle...IF you didn't really realize the setup and how it's supposed to go in there(as I think the previous owner did).That's all...had nothing to do with the caliper problem.

ZXnit said.."Do you not look at your bike before getting on it?"...in all fairness to Chuck...not noticing something as subtle as a small amount of rotation(meaning...being not slotted up to the swingarm)COULD be 'overlooked'...especially if you hadn't ever really LOOKED at how that caliper arm actually sits in there...I looked at his pics with it in there at the bottom...it 'almost' looks fine...if ya didn't recognize how it's supposed to be.Seeing an axle not fully seated...that would be easy to not see something wrong there as well...IF you weren't 'tuned in' to that axle deal and all.

I'm again drawn to that axle pic...where I said.."it's not seated all the way".I'm convinced here that the axle was not fully pushed in...regardless of what some are saying about the 'camera' thing and all that.BUT...one thing DOES strike me right now thinking on this.IF that axle WAS all the way in....and what I'm seeing in his one pic of a slightly turned axle end/cotter pin/castle nut alignment..then what would that mean?I won't say what I think it means(to me)....And if it is what I think it is...then....HOW could it do that?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:05 PM *

Having an axle even not fully seated would not cause the wheel itself to move forward or backward...

Do what you say... Torque the axle out of, however you see it guy... Now, go remove the cotter pin, undo the nut, push the axle out till you can turn it 90° then torque it. Tell me if the other parts will hold it in place. Now, you said it would be fine, but are you sure? The only way to tell is to do it.

If you question me, you now question yourself. Go out and do what you just said to confirm no one is in danger via your suggestion stating a forward and backward action will not happen... I knew you wouldn't. Now you have to restate what you said all over again to say you didn't say dis.

I think Rook is going to correct your ass and about anyone else that knows a direction of a screw move is that is about the stupidisshit yet!

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/6/2012 @ 11:05 PM *

If you pull the axle out so it will rotate 90 degrees, you won't be able to Tq it, because it will just spin around. you might get lucky and have it pull in and then Tq, but then again, maybe not. This really isn't rocket science. There is only one way that is right where it all works as it should. If one piece is not right, something won't work/align right

* Last updated by: zone5 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:14 PM *

To HUB...WTF?...Do I have to explain everything to you?Geez...you KNOW it can't go anywhere....It isn't going to move to the rear....the chain and all the torques are PULLING on the axle/sprocket/block.It certainly isn't gonna go FORWARD...the axle is running through the block axle hole....the adjusters are stopping ANY forward movement.Tell me something different then....I mean...something that is actually possible...not some 'theory' of what you 'think' could happen.With the locknut securely tightened..as his was...that left side is virtually as solid as if the axle was seated all the way.It can't move forward or backwards in that block.The torque is on the top run of the chain...not pulling from the bottom and going around.Which means...the force is forward at that point...not pulling backward towards the rear.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:34 PM *

"If you pull the axle out so it will rotate 90 degrees, you won't be able to Tq it, because it will just spin around"...Zone is getting it...very good my man...you're totally right.So IF that axle is 'off'(not perpendicular) on the other end,as I think it looks like it is ...then....what does THAT mean?.It's NOT the nut I'm talking about right now...although...that to me clearly shows the nut is lined up with the axle hole(cotter pin hole)...which is........???????

And for HUB...I'm not talking about turning the axle 90 degrees...you can't.It only goes 180 either way.It's got two sets of cotter holes to fit a pin in there....I know why...do you?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:20 PM *

It certainly isn't gonna go FORWARD...the axle is running through the block axle hole....the adjusters are stopping ANY forward movemen

The axle would have to be all the way out of the adjuster and the adjuster be away from the swing arm for the axle to move forward/back. Higly unlikly that you could put the nut on and Tq

* Last updated by: zone5 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:21 PM *

Yes...correct...that's not what I'm saying though.HUB's the one who suggested the wheel was gonna move with an axle not fully seated.I say it won't.For the very reasons you just said.And no...you could NEVER get a nut started on the other side...there would be NO threads showing if it was that far out.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:26 PM *

having the nut and the holes lined up doesn't mean anything. If you somehow had the axle wrong, on the left, you could have the holes anywhere, and just tighten/loosen the nut till they lined up.

Yes...correct...that's not what I'm saying though.HUB's the one who suggested the wheel was gonna move with an axle not fully seated.I say it won't.

yea, I get what you are saying. don't know why anyone would say something different

* Last updated by: zone5 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:25 PM *

"having the nut and the holes lined up doesn't mean anything"....yes...it DOES mean something...that's exactly the point I'm trying to show.It does mean something...something very important.Not just the holes lined up.....as you said...that could be done the way you said...yes.BUT....what else?What about the NUT itself.The flats.What do you see when you look at the nut in his first pic right here^^^^^(not the bottom one...the top one on this page) ...I can see it...very clearly.(that's the pic of 'before'..when the caliper was NOT in there right BTW)...And I see it in his previous pics of the right side axle shot...with the nut and all on there.You mean...to YOU it looks okay?You wouldn't see something ODD about that if it were your bike?Being anal about stuff isn't all that bad.

"don't know why anyone would say something different'....exactly...why WOULD someone say something different about something so clearly known about component fitment.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/6/2012 @ 11:40 PM *

are you talking about the 1st Pic that Chuck posted, or some other picture?

Yea, I know the flats are where the cutouts for the pin are.

what am I missing that you are trying to say? I'm pretty sure I'm aggreeing with you, but now I'm not sure

The pic a couple of pages back....where he shows his right side and the rotated caliper close up(kinda)....look at that locknut(axle nut)...the flats.Look at em.....yes...everything is 'lined up'..the pin's in there...ya.......but take a close look and tell me what ya see?

@Grn: there's something peculiar going on with this (Chucks) scooter. I've been keeping up
with all the posts. Now I've just re-read from the top of the thread and looked at all the pics again.
The photo of Chucks bike after it was repaired... has a good view of the wire hoop to wrangle the brake line.
Look at the axle nut. It looks like someone gave it hell with a pair of shit-hooks (Channel locks).
I hope he didn't pay $25 for that nonsense.

(as of 12:06 AM) you beat me to it! ;)

* Last updated by: hagrid on 6/7/2012 @ 12:08 AM *

It looks like someone gave it hell with a pair of shit-hooks (Channel locks).

yea, it does. someone did something screwy

one of these GRN?

* Last updated by: zone5 on 6/7/2012 @ 12:13 AM *

NOW...yer seeing it....I was gonna say something before about that whole deal.Of course...I'm Joe-A..so wtf do I know?That axle nut...I did mention that..that friggin thing's been mangled...and HOW?Anyone's axle nut look like Chuck's?...with your axles and all installed correctly?Mine don't..yours don't...but his does....anyone wanna guess HOW his got that way?

Yes Zone...that top one.Look okay to you?

Look at that adjuster bolt...that look okay to you?Look closely.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/7/2012 @ 12:16 AM *

The adjuster bolt looks fine. I assume you are pointing out that the flat of the nut should be parallel to he swing arm, which the picture appears to show that its not. I have NO idea how it could be off.

and yes, I saw the managed nut before. someone didn't have the right socket and used a pipe wrench or such to tighten.