I'll say it again, the BMW is fast. How about we throw a passenger on the back and they can take an all day 500 mile ride and blister the mountains with me and the wife. Then we'll talk.

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 5/18/2010 @ 8:33 PM *

Yes, people have gone that quick on stock motor'd 14s. I concede, they used nitrous but regardless.

I do give credit to bmw. They put a hyperbike motor in a literbike frame. Stretch it out and its fast, pretty simple.

If you drop 100 lbs (approximate weight difference between the bmw and zx14) off the 14 it would run the bmw off the road.

Kawasaki should take notes, yes. Put the 14 motor in a zx10 frame. Problem solved, install a long swingarm and you're right in the mix.

If you drop 100 lbs (approximate weight difference between the bmw and zx14) off the 14 it would run the bmw off the road.

Kawasaki should take notes, yes. Put the 14 motor in a zx10 frame. Problem solved, install a long swingarm and you're right in the mix

Kaw should hook up with Muzzy don't they have a 1530cc Stroker Kit for the zx14? That would make it the fastest pretty much forever and get rid of the street squids at the same time.

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 5/19/2010 @ 9:14 AM *

BMW is the greatest, BMW is the greatest....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t4x045xyvI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

The year, look at the year posted. At 1:49, she reels in the shitoe pieceoshit, she reels in those is pieces of shit is 2 ears ago is that slow tech from Japan. Fast forward the fuckouthe way her comes the dong key Kong next ear.

...... that sure don't sound very stock to me.BMWs suck eggs....BMWs suck eggs....

BMW = Big Man WhoopEAR...

... Can I get a Whoop!

Hey, BAd, "You gonna eat your cheeze paper?"

"BMW is the greatest, BMW is the greatest....

BMWs suck eggs....BMWs suck eggs....

Hub are you trying to tell me I'm fickle?

* Last updated by: Kruz on 5/19/2010 @ 12:46 PM *

That would make it the fastest pretty much forever

It'll never happen, as long as the world economy doesn't implode and we don't go back to hunting saber tooth tigers with spears, they're going to keep finding ways to wring more power out of these puppies, it's been that way ever since they invented the internal combustion engine. I think it's just starting to get interesting, the Japs had gone stagnant lately, BMW just let the genie out of the bottle.

One thing that might put a fly in the ointment though is peak oil, we may have to find an alternate fuel source in the not too distant future..hydrogen maybe?

They don't need a 1530 stroker motor.

All they need is what i said. A lighter chassis.

I guarantee you, drop 100 lbs from an other wise stock zx14 and you'll be running 9.0s with ryan schnitz piloting it. Add the carbon wheels, ceramic bearings, stretched lowered, exhaust, tune.. and all the little tricks that a renound race shop has accumulated, and its an 8.20 or 8.30 bike.

Weight is SOOO essential on these bikes, people overlook it constantly. There's a reason i watch what i eat. So i can stay at 160 lbs. Ask 1Bad how important weight is, he'll be glad to tell you.

Basically; zx14 motor in a zx10 frame. I WANT TO SEE IT!

drop 100 lbs from an other wise stock zx14 and you'll be running 9.0s with ryan schnitz piloting it.

they already done that and didn't need to drop the 100lbs .. zx14 ran a 9.0 stock wheelbase the bmw only ran a 9.10

weight is killer tho

I don't think the 14 weight difference is in the frame as much as the engine. The lump must weigh a lot more than the 10 engine.

Ask 1Bad how important weight is, he'll be glad to tell you.

Naaw, he under 300 lbs now...

Wouldn't it be easier to just make a 1000 with lighter, stronger internals that would allow the bike to rev to 14500 to make more peak power. To be honest all the new 1000 need is more peak power and TC to take the BMW down a notch. Just look at the graphs all of them are stronger until 10k the CBR even more so. Hopefully they don't take a step back as the R1 did when they added all the useless tech. Which and manged to make the bike heavier and slower in the process.

Weight is SOOO essential on these bikes, people overlook it constantly

no doubt about that at all

No, bad i'm talking about BONE stock, like roll off the showroom floor. None of that cheater shit, 0 weight oil, ceramic bearings, strapped lowered, power commander. NONE of that. I mean roll it off a showroom floor onto the race track and 9.0 all day long.

Willid, more revs does not mean more power. You have to engineer the head to flow at the higher rpms, you have to design the cams to make power at the higher rpms. Its not as easy as making the valves stronger and giving it a higher rpm limiter.

183 HP at the wheel on a stock 1000cc motorcycle is very impressive, and this puppy will buzz to 13,000 rpm.

The Germans just took a giant dump on the Japanese in their first try at bat, I guess all that Formula One work paid off.

I spoke with Brock and he said the bike that ran 8.49 is a bone stock engine.

Haters gonna hate.

First, who would stretch that beautiful track bike out into a drag bike?

Second, .......

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2011-kawasaki-zx-10r-teaser-concept/

Third, they are going to have to do something to the hyperbikes or they aren't going to sell very many.

I don't know rook. I mean I can take the 14 out with the wife on back all day and feel fine when we come home. Try that on the BMW or any other liter for that matter. I could have bought any of them but chose the 14 because it was quick and comfortable 1 or 2 up.

* Last updated by: heathun on 6/28/2010 @ 12:55 PM *

That's true heathun. The 14 is great for 2 up riding and it's a terrific bike for long trips that include sport riding a/o high speed. Also wonderful to have all of that low end torque for city riding. I really think it is the best all around sportbike/streetbike a person can own.

However, I picked the 14 for power and speed. If I were buying all over again and the S10000 was out on the floor, I'm not so sure the limitations in comfort it presents would add up to a hill of beans compared to its rep for high performance. If they beef the 14's performance up to make it an indisputably the fastest straightline bike available, they're going to take back some sales from BMW. Topics like this one and a couple others I have seen on hyperbike forums indicate that it is not just track riders that covet the reputation the S1000 has developed so far. People are buying them for drag racing potential and also because of the perception (and possibly quit accurate) that they are the new fastest thing.

Some Harley owners want in on the badass, rebel mystique, a lot of sportbike owners enjoy the racing mystique behind what ever bike they like best. I guess both both camps are often living out some sort of fantasy but it still sells bikes.

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/28/2010 @ 2:48 PM *

If they beef the 14's performance up to make it an indisputably the fastest straightline bike available, they're going to take back some sales from BMW

I doubt it people that are seriously thinking about buying the BMW would not even consider a zx14 and vice versa. The lure of hyper bikes like the zx14 and Busa have always been about speed now that 1000s are just as fast and generally quicker so what’s the point. I guess you can still make the argument that hyper bikes still make better street bikes but who really buys a zx14 or Busa because they want a nice street bike. In the case of the zx14 it’s got a few problems as in low sales compared to the Busa and zero real development in almost 5 years. Rook to make the zx14 faster than or just as fast as the BMW and what ever liter bikes Japan makes for 2011. I really think the zx14 would need another 20hp at least. When was the last time you heard of that kind of power increase from a bike that was not a complete and total redesign from its predecessor. I guess they could always make it a zx15.

183 HP at the wheel on a stock 1000cc motorcycle is very impressive, and this puppy will buzz to 13,000 rpm.

I am not really sure why everyone is so bandwagon on this BMW! Yes it is very impressive, but if you take the difference in cost and apply it to any other 1000 they would be equally as impressive. You would get more for your dollar is the performance parts were added during production vs adding and tuning on a stock bike. I think the jap bikes just did what they could while keeping prices competitive. It may even be that BMW is taking a loss on every bike sold to get their name out seeing they are new to this performance game and all.

I think the jap bikes just did what they could while keeping prices competitive. It may even be that BMW is taking a loss on every bike sold to get their name out seeing they are new to this performance game and all.

You can pay a couple K more for all the optional stuff but a base model S1000 is not much more than a 2010 jap bike. I think they are making very little money on each sale.

First, who would stretch that beautiful track bike out into a drag bike?

Second, .......

Anyone that wants to kick ass at the dragstrip apparently I don't see any other stock motor bikes going that quick.

am not really sure why everyone is so bandwagon on this BMW! Yes it is very impressive, but if you take the difference in cost and apply it to any other 1000 they would be equally as impressive. You would get more for your dollar is the performance parts were added during production vs adding and tuning on a stock bike. I think the jap bikes just did what they could while keeping prices competitive. It may even be that BMW is taking a loss on every bike sold to get their name out seeing they are new to this performance game and all.

Please tell us how you would do it?

true the msrp is close to the same, but, you can get the jap 1000's for several thousand under the msrp.

^^Good point.

Anyone that wants to kick ass at the dragstrip apparently I don't see any other stock motor bikes going that quick.

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/29/2010 @ 4:28 PM *