I have yet to open this bike up full throttle when downshifting or anything else.I've had er to 12K a few times while running up through the gears...but not wide open.I'm having plenty of fun...enough for me.I'm not interested in lowering the performance.F-'off' is all I stay in.Fun enough.

F-1-2-3=Off
L-1-2-3-Off

So when I begin to discuss 10 modes, 10 videos in said modes, you are going to enter the discussion knowing only 1 setting. You see where your intervention is a mute point? LOL

How's it going, greenie? Shine your shoes and press your uni forum you one hit wonder!

Try the jelly roll. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and we are not even biting into the hacks yet.

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You have the same machine...you make a video.I've done my homework with the modes.And ABS...and wheelies,and tire grip,and slipper action...all of it.The only thing I haven't done is launch it like a dragger would...to be continued;)

"You see where your intervention is a mute point?"...yup,I do....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/30/2013 @ 10:19 AM *

I've done my homework with the modes.And ABS...and wheelies,and tire grip,and slipper action...all of it.The only thing I haven't done is launch it like a dragger

I saw that ABS video of yours. You tried two times [in one setting no less] and both [attempts] looked very timid. JMO. You can say you did all that but to me it still says, 'why enter the conversation is we are not discussing approaching the bike all scared at it.' YOu need to read 1bad's sig line.

So when you try to compare what you are about to see all in gopro looking fashion, I doubt you'll be on the level of discussion is why you wear that clown suit. Now, gopro some action so we do not have these confrontations about how you ride and you are not even ping'ing the system is watt I'm saying. You see that data you have vs. gopro data? You are not credible is your problem is not mine. That is the post that is hanging over your neck is instead if it reading 'kick me' it says what it is. So you more or less to me, know squat about intervention. OK, one level x's 2. Happy? Say your peace and you're done, no? Because that is all you know is F-0FF is I'm not even there yet.

It's like saying to the key rotty kid, 'slow me sanda flow'... 'show me wazONe wax OFF'.... (((HIII!)))

You know I'll prove my action. Slow as slow as I was riding, the smooth came out in fast mode, yes or no? So yes, I'll answer it for you is now go live time some action before I do. Tires are about to be giving me some replace me feedback and now that's when the fun begins, flatting some tire core is just hold the brakes on 10 times, greenie.

So I was more warming up on the front brake skids on the none ABS '08'er. This time I won't let go I hear it chirp more and it's more like 10 times times 5 maybe [in one mode] to get an average maybe? So that is your 10 to my 50+. How are going to discuss 10 [single try] inputs and we already were there first hit is 5 or more tire flat spots all around the tire. You were the warmup mode. Where you know I like to 'sneak up on it like a snake.' See how much you nibbled off and how much I swallowed hole?

Ah, the nibblers vs. the gobblers = I knew I get another one to pile on:
Runner Uppers
Reach Arounds
The Clowns
The Nibblers

Anyway...

... Then, [the likes of you] come along with that racing clown suit Golly G for gotta go 'nibbling' IDK, my skid pants is dry ass a bone. So here is my dry run. Yes butt, grn, we dried that run up your ass first video and WOT have you go to show for the rest of the 40 or show me the monies!

Nice ragging on ya, greenie. Hope you found it comical, and with comedy, there is a little truth to it, or it's not funny, honey!

Year the best Greenie! AT WOT I don't know?

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"Now, gopro some action so we do not have these confrontations about how you ride"...I know how I ride...and so does everyone else...here and on the channel.No mystery.No sour grapes comments either."We" don't have a confrontation...YOU do.Sorry....My flicks speak for themselves...they don't need any narration.Or defending.BTW...didja listen to my motor in those last few vids....trust me...I KNOW smoothLOL!!!!

You know...the ONLY one who 'clowns' me...is YOU.That says somethin there.I can't do anything 'right' in your eyes....nothin...nada...you don't really think I'm taking your comments to heart I hope...like I said...YOU go out and take vids...of all the things you say I SHOULD be doing....come back here...and describe for the nice folks here all the little in's and outs of the 14R....squidding through traffic is...well....squidding.Freeway is freeway....no rear brake is....no abs.You have a lot of homework to complete...you up to it?Let's see then....videos...modes...power modes...abs action....shift qualities...up and down...clutchless...w/clutch....gearing,up,down,in the wet,in the dry....we'll be waiting.It's the "speed challenge' alright.And YOU'RE UP TO BAT;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/30/2013 @ 8:31 PM *

didja listen to my motor in those last few vids....trust me...I KNOW smoothLOL!!!!

Yes I did. Can you hear the engine pulse off, kind of skip anda jump? Video that little clip of the bike idling in the beginning, then slow mo it. You'll hear is rise up and down, not pulse steady.

Pulsesteady to me is we have the same exact bike. I don't know about your bike, and I don't know if you know it or not, but there was a time they called these screws on carbs: air or an idle screw I forget? But if you notice one of the terms means idle?

So on my bike and I don't know about your bike having the same parts is parts and the same setup out the door and all that, I have 2 opening that are being constricted in a loop and 2 openings that are closed. To me, that says idle is hunting? It's an ever so light pulse of a hunt. That is why it is so subtle an adjust, you are so close it is that smooth EAR. But I don't think you are listening to turtle. Because I sure did listen to you and yours.

But to me, it is not my fault one thinks smooth is there and not knowing about the theory of the air, idle, or by pass adjust screws that have been on, I don't know? How many carb designs and to me that has to transfer over to FI. It is mimicking a carb? I think so? Not only that, there are 3Ti'INNS associated with that carb body or throttle body and you know how 3 variables tie together, yes?

1. Air [by pass] Screws used for ~ Tank recovery loop.
2. IAP Sensor used for ~ How much vacuum is your demand of the throttle opening?
3. Venturi used for ~ Main air entry.

So that means I can't use the IAP nipple to sync the body.
That means I can't use the venturi hole, sans some vacuum tool behind that opening.
Back to 4 openings where you disconnect the tank recovery hoses, remove the 2 nipple fittings; install said sync tool; balance all 4 openings = Balance the Body Buy the Book Fandango = Is the only procedure you are locked in it, there is no other way out of dis, greenie. Not me saying this, but the book is.

Wear out ass I keep telling the readers in no uncertain terms is on my terms you see page 17-59 for the real answer. Now, that's how you explain it. That page makes you look into the abyss and read between the lines is that man you will sea the basics bleed that page's color.

So when you say, "trust me I know know smootHA HA HA is the protag [your it] of dis, is dis says, GRN??? I don't think you do. I think I just explained it to you [laughs, I don't know how many times the fandango]?

How can I trust you if you are too blind to see that we are not on the same page, beginning on page 2-16. Because you are so classic the runner upper telling me about smooth and I said, hold on, hold on, really? A reach around is going to tell me about balance the books? About tiny bites of [air] are being chewed on, not every cylinder swallowing hole?

I'm going to ask you one more time... Do you deserve to wear this Uniforum Pee Roudly?

Lemme see, watt page was that on? Why here it is on page 17-59 = PLACE ASSCLOWN STICK HER HERE!

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/1/2013 @ 9:27 AM *

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They all hunt a smidgen...even after a sync.I thought we were talking ride quality.Sorry...my bad...I'm gonna just sit in idle from now on...let everyone else go ride...this is now a couple of posts about syncing the TB's at minimal mileages.Since when did this become a 'fact'.In a perfect world...with perfect fuels and perfect fueling parts...it MIGHT idle like a line....maybe.What you hear in the idle is NORMAL...you vid up YOUR synced 14R....so I can hear what it REALLY should sound like...okay?Fair enough?All this 'pointing out' MY bike's 'faults' is a waste of read.Like saying 'my bike is smoother than yours'....

You have a camera...with sound...make a vid...post it...surely you can do that,and put this discussion to rest.I've shown you mine...

I could post any one of several vids of my ride idling..you leave out the variables with your 'fact' statements...you think this motor ALWAYS idles the same in any given situation?Good luck.Nevermind...you tore me a new one...I don't think you need to worry about my 'credibility' or anything else...no one here takes anything I say seriously anyhow.S'all good.

I did get to see my bud's new 14R yesterday...RED....screaming Red...very nice I must say....going riding with him Wed...weather permitting.Very cool looking machine.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/1/2013 @ 12:42 PM *

No grn, you are credible in some areas. Not necessarily what you seem to not grasp is this idle to sync thing. And it's not you either. You rep 'joe generic' and more a little clueless understanding the basics. We both have the same setup. No point in me setting up the same idle as yours. This bike is smooth but I have 'grip buzz.'

Are you going to agree or argue you too have this?

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Anything I say is gonna be shot down,switched up,reworded to lose the meaning of what I'm trying to say.So what's the point?And I mean EVERYTHING.I don't think there's been ANY responses from you in ANY of my comments that even suggested I had a right to say anything about my owner experience(s) with this bike or any other.You either completely misunderstand what I'm saying...the context of it...or you truly dislike me saying anything about my bike.Just the way it is....It's cool...I don't feel good about riding or my bike after getting in a few of these put down discussions...always the same....I won't be posting up anymore...so I guess you win...another runner upper out the door.S'all good...you take care and ride safe...

@Dogo: where the fuck have you been?

You're just in time for danish!

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Dogo!!!

Anything I say is gonna be shot down,switched up,reworded to lose the meaning of what I'm trying to say.

We are having a discussion. You think it's heated, I am just covering my bases. Besides, we have history. You can't leave. Pizza coming later.

So what's the point?

That is the point. We've known each other for you better do the math, because in a couple of years give or take, how's 10 sound?

And I mean EVERYTHING.

No, not true.

I don't think there's been ANY responses from you in ANY of my comments that even suggested I had a right to say anything about my owner experience(s) with this bike or any other.

Not true. You have a level of experience and I have mine. If any fairings, tires, flash, accessories like the hids come up, you see me interrupt your experience? Notice I don't have that much experience with accessories? I stay away from that stiff. I'm clueless on that. You're the man on those.

You either completely misunderstand what I'm saying...the context of it...or you truly dislike me saying anything about my bike.

Not exactly where I am going with it is: that's your observation. My rant is the abstract. Has nothing to do with your closet, my closet we bring shit up at each other. It steers away between our conversations of your experience of smooth and my buzzing.

Just the way it is....It's cool...I don't feel good about riding or my bike after getting in a few of these put down discussions...

Like me, I don't want to go there. Last time I think it was, you wanted to wrinkle my nose and here we are. You don't go there I won't go there. It's that simple.

always the same....I won't be posting up anymore...so I guess you win...another runner upper out the door.S'all good...you take care and ride safe...

It's a revolving door here, Grn. Where are you going? Dogo's back, Kol leaves, Steve's back, Grn's Gone!

OK, have it your way. No wait. Let's do a test run. I ignore you, and you ignore my comments the same. See if that helps?

Damn, Dogo, you missed the heatwave! Big show and we missed it. Everyone builds something for this show. And I'm sitting her with an oil leaker = No show. So he took bulletproof [daily rider] to the event. That one runs like a clock. Don't tell Kruz I associated a HD to a time peace.

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/1/2013 @ 6:55 PM *

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I think it's up for sale? Don't know if it's the economy, the heat> just the hard core showed up. Looks light? Maybe the shots are early? So with that said, I'd have to ask the neph when the next one is? If at all? He'll let me know, I'll let you know. You can hook up for 72 hrs is the window around here, leave a day, come back, etc. You two can bbq something up in the backyard.

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72 wink-wink means if the neighbors complain, call the cops, that's the window. No one says nothing, a week. Say you wink-wink, unhitch the trailer and roll it up the drive. Budda boom budda bing! No unhitched units parked in the neighborhood for min of 72 hours. I'm just stating the rules/laws. Now, I see two days at the front of the house, two days on the drive, two back on the street wink-wink.

We grab MAN64, we'll take you thru our little backyard part of the nation's trails this time. Bring a bike to break in sorta speak.

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Part of the performance is that transmission. Is it better? Yes and no. Is it as smooth shifting as the engine? Yes if you get it right. Then, all of a sudden we are out on some open road so we can go thru the gears. I begin the downshifting the 14 is used to, then all of a sudden, left hand meets and greets the anti-chatter housing. I'm right at that raggedge of pulling plate loose and can follow the ramp system. Not fun. I'd huddle the engineers and resolve this. I doubt they can.
See, my guess is, once you unload the clutch, the ramp is free to unwind with it? I can then feel it reengage? Kind of annoying being there: is my normal shift window.

i did say the downshift was weird

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Well...you know what the manual says..."installation is the same but in reverse".

Last time I was on the bike I practiced avoiding the basket catching up with the lever. It's kind of hard to explain for now. I'm trying too many combos where some dial-in, others don't. The point is to find the idio and be consistent with it. It's doable. Stay tuned.

I've now progressed to F-Off. It's hard to tell how dumpy the load gets. That means, the more you dump the letters and numbers out of play, the bike dumps into a limp kind of character. So to transition from F1 to F0, hard to say if the bike becomes a touch smoother with a touch of a dragging limp sort of feel to it??

In other words it has this tone thru your body senses. It has this hesitation sort of sensation but not really. Again, sort of hard to explain with the shift sequence as with the tone actuation of the mode switching. Soon I Wool have a few questions answered soon.

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So you're getting the software then?Good.You should uncork this bike...there's SO much more going on....;)Learning how to shift and sort things out....just the beginning.This is a whole new animal.EVERYONE rides this brute different.FEW so far have actually pushed her near the ultimate performance scenarios.Few here anyway.One says..."mine does this at such and such"...another says..."Wait....mine does THIS at such and such"....Can they both be on the quest of performance mastery of this bike?IS there an optimum relation between shifts....gassing....powering up and down....shift speeds...lever manipulation...shift lever quickness....rapidity of downshifting and throttle application?Finding that sweet spot where it all comes together as a masterpiece painting?I think so.The 'modes'...the TC settings...the almost infinite applications of all of it...in all scenarios...possible?I think so.When one finds it...it's gold...there all the time...just a bit of tunneling here and there to find that one vein....this is without a doubt the most extreme factory sportbike alive.You have to ride this beast with feeling...not head knowledge.That's my opinion.

Powering down the strip is one thing....street riding this bike is quite another.Best bike I EVER owned....EVERY time I ride...it's new again with new findings.You don't 'get this bike down' on the street...it keeps you finding that one culmination of everything sportbike.With the tools to make it a success.I don't think anyone can outride this bike....not if they're seriously trying.No way.They'll back out before they find the real treasure.It's not just velocity...or torque...how far can you go?How far DARE you go?The draggers want a full out missile....race times...1/4 miles.This bike is SO much more that a straight line rocket....with it's character...it's smoothness...it's seeming unending powerband...it's trans...the way it reacts and puts all that together.Amazing IMO.Well past my 07.....and that's not putting down gen 1's...it's only comparing the 14R with it's forefather....night and day IMO.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/3/2013 @ 10:44 PM *

INN'F the FuckOFF. Oh assfactor... Send... Me... Home. I don't know if this thing churns butter in F-Off, butter better my one hole mudder and farter is sweetshithat bike is smooth EAR!

Greenie, if you are saying this bike spanks so freak'inn smooth, you musta been screaming to put it in FO to know what smooth is. And I'm having this huge smile or gloom, is to think, if I mess with this butterbike, I can get it even closer than that or leave it alone?

Two long semi's are up ahead and both are empty with trailers. So they are pretty much speeding up to the speed limit, but takes awhile. I know the road so I'm going to take my time and time in the passing lane or there is too much traffic, because the passing is short and the road is not the safest; with all the day old flowers at different posts or spots along the road... That kind of road.

The only way I ride is FO on the go. If I'm farting around slow, I'll toggle low. Here is my open spot up ahead. I have no clue what FO will do? I know I pulled over off the freeway to toggle the bike for lane splitting @ F1. That was the event the front wheel took off in the air and we both caught it.

This time I had no time to lift but to shift. I just ran up to the back of the truck, timed the double lane to have the split lines on my side and ready to cross over those, not the double. Never know who's looking and wants to add cha-ching to it since I'm going to blow chunks in the upper digits.

Meanwhile, you figure the trucker is some old h-d rider, or just your other high end kind of aware kind of driving it takes to move that rig and stop it anshit. So if he was looking in his mirror, 'ol FO put on another wheeliehibition. This time I kept in it. I went thru so many gears I forget if it intervened me or I timed the shifting?

The thing that pisses me off now that I think about it, is the dreaded sit up and... Lift. The car coming the other way was not in danger, no. It was not knowing who was behind that car and then that car and so on. I just had all this room in my lane to keep going... WOOOOOOOT a waste!

* Last updated by: Hub on 8/6/2013 @ 8:21 PM *

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" you musta been screaming to put it in FO to know what smooth is"...I've been running her in that mode from day one.I KNOW what F-1 will do...it'll restrict the lift of the frontend...after it gets a taste of the wheel spin difference.That's not exactly playing fair...;)You'll get a much better loft and length if ya use F-O and control her with yer wrist instead.Add some rear brake....you be unicycling.I don't trust keeping her up angled like that though....no idea if there's an oil starvation issue doing that...I don't intend to find out either.I could feel a difference between F-1 and F-O though...subtle as it is....6K is where the hit starts...watch yer azz when you power into 6K and on....keep that throttle opening hard and fast....just don't be behind anyone when ya rock it.You WILL run outta space real quick like.ABS will seem a Godsend;)

" if I mess with this butterbike, I can get it even closer than that or leave it alone?"...IMO...you SHOULD enable her to let loose by doing some ECU stuff....The smoothness will not degrade if the flash is correct...it will be enhanced.I see no need to install a PCV or such.Mine didn't need it.And I had it on there.I removed it...and the bike ran as smooth if not moreso than with it in there.Just with the flash.I have another one coming soon...better than my present one.Gonna be fun R&D-ing THIS setup;)I always have my stock ECU...which is 'fine'...but lacking in grunt...on the bottom end.I found NO difference really in the TWO ECU's I have concerning smoothness...even a touch smoother with the flashed one...if you could imagine that.This engine and all really comes to life with a competent Flash.

I think we both know by now...this bike was restricted from the factory to keep people(like me)from killing themselves.I'm just dumb enough to want as much out of my 1441 stock motor to retweak a few things...get er to be free as intended.The TC will always be there...and the abs...which I've yet to actually HAVE to use...but nice to know it does stop the bike much better and safer than the Gen 1.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/6/2013 @ 10:12 PM *

I think we both know by now...this bike was restricted from the factory to keep people(like me)from killing themselves.

This is the way the bike should take off. One long wheelie with the back tire leaving a streak. If you don't demand that kind of bike under you, might as well park that sad ass.

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Hub sir! I gotta jump in here.
I thought this thing was a piece o crap. I was right and wrong. The finish is horrible. No instructions. I smoothed it out with some sandpaper, kinda re-worked it with a file, threw her in, went for a ride. Shit my pants. Came home. If anyone would like second gear to more aggressively wheelie, and would like a much more 'holy shit I am the fuck outta here!' Feeling out of the R, I would say this, try it. I am a believer. Black streaks are flat easy. Keeping the front end down in F-Off in the first three gears cause the thrust is on hand right now? Not so easy! :)) well, I'm gonna like this little thing.

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I've had these on all my Ninjas....they are fun fer sure;)Had to do a small bit of 'modding' to mine as well...grooving the outer surface for one thing...just where the cable rides over the beginning arc on the surface there...so it wouldn't 'possibly' slide off somehow...after that...way cool.Still want to get one for my new bird....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 8/19/2013 @ 11:21 PM *

Here is WOT I like most about it, ya know once in awhile on a ride you hit an apex and finish a corner but you think to yourself 'I know I left some of second gear there, didn't quite crank her all the way', well, no more, if you apply firm throttle, you get ALL of her. No, I shoulda grabbed a bigger handful. I like it.
And yes to that groove thing! Worked that in with my angle file. I knew that was supposed to be there. Mine didn't have a groove so just shaped one. Anyone can make these. Easy. PVC pipe and a file. I'm gonna make a few a give em out. Easy little whittling job. Go nice in a Christmas card! :) maybe I will work a little curve in mine. Give ya a progressively harder grab??? Like a slope up.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 8/19/2013 @ 11:58 PM *

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I'm slow. How slow am I? I have to speed up the vid so I don't fall asleep. Or I installed a 1/5th and shipped the bike to you rope.

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