There's alot more to a bike than sheer numbers. Thats why i have said they didn't need to beef the 14 up much more. There comes a time when you quit focusing on the power and start focusing more on gearing, quicker steering and getting the power to the ground and hooked up. The current liter bikes can stand alot of work in the suspension department, if you look at the latest improvement with kawasaki going to the big piston forks, in an attempt to get the bike turning better and keeping everything planted. I venture to say you'll see a new rear suspension for 11' rather than a huge power increase and maybe even an attempt to make the even more narrow and possibly even alittle taller in the seat to get it turning quicker.

Thats why i have said they didn't need to beef the 14 up much more.

I'll be be passing your party about the old times get together is don't wink. I stink I might be on another mighty one that scares others to reinstall their zipper so the flies don't fly out.

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=5629&z=18

this is what happen to the mighty bmw 1000rr at the drag-strip ... dead last in qualifying and broke before 1 st round

1980 DOMONIC ANDERSON RICHMOND VA 10 BMW S1000 9.811 155.69

heres the rest of it

1 2949 JEREMY TEASLEY ORIENT OH 09 KAW ZX-14 8.947 151.82
2 1762 RICHARD GADSON PHILADELPHIA PA 06 SUZ GSXR 8.986 157.65
3 218 CHIP ELLIS PLAINS GA 09 SUZ GSXR 8.991 158.97
4 200 TONY FERLAND SPRINGVALE ME 09 KAW ZX14 9.034 155.96
5 1550 JOEY GLADSTONE TOWNSEND DE 07 SUZ GSXR 9.046 152.66
6 1826 DANNY PAYTON ELIZABETH TOWN KY 08 SUZ GSXR 9.111 160.81
7 2263 JOHN FERNANDEZ TAMPA FL 08 KAW ZX14 9.167 151.04
8 1980 DOMONIC ANDERSON RICHMOND VA 10 BMW S1000 9.811 155.69

kruz last time i check an 8.90 to a 9.80 is a HUGE DIFFERANCE and an azz whooping on the track

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 4/16/2010 @ 1:14 PM *

2010 liter bikes dyno charts

http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1004_2010_literbikes_dyno/photo_07.html

* Last updated by: scottjkyl on 4/18/2010 @ 6:01 AM *

no gixxer ..i guessing an 09 was not available to dyno

If you could fatten the midrange on that Beemer it would be a mind blower.

Kruz, thats going to be hard to do. They focused so much on the peak H/P number that they limited themselves in the midrange. If they focus on the midrange in the future you'll see the red line come down a bit and they'll lose a little of that peak H/P.

Dont know if this article was posted or not if so sorry but heres a write up on the beemer by Brocks

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=5526&z=2

Have you ran against one at the track? A buddy has his in street trim and tires at NHMS last Monday-
he sure talked the talk for a month, then we just heard a lot of excuses.
Nice looking bike in black though

* Last updated by: masszx14 on 4/28/2010 @ 9:34 AM *

My buddy got his suspension dialed and put Conti race slicks on the bimmer yesterday,
it was all spoiled by the 34F temps and snow flurries at the track this morning- the day was canceled.
I was curious how much his pedestrian cornering speed will improve but will have to wait for another
week for some good fighting at NJMP (doing Thunderbolt with TTD).

* Last updated by: masszx14 on 4/28/2010 @ 9:40 AM *

Some racers chiming in on the WERA forums (kinda long thread that caters to the minds of dyno-queen lovers...):

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Good to see you back Mass!

"Pee Dis Tre INN Cornering"

Good one! Looks like the bike can't corner or was that in P mode it pee'd on itself? Why is that back tire so glistening like a dog walked by? Why is that bike so peedestrian, YOU G eel WHY?

WHY!

WHY!

Hub, to be fair here, there's only one right hand turn at NHMS that demands a full lean- turn 1A.
Now, factor in the different lines riders prefer and the fact that turn 1A is only getting in the way b/n turns 1 and 2 and that some guys carry more momentum by not flicking the bike fully right but coming off the seat extremely exaggerated and dragging a knee and simply setting up for a better line and cornering speed through turn 2 where you would be in a full lean. I prefer to fully flick left-right-left through 1,1A and 2- others don't.

I notice extreme difference on the left and right side tire walls and the most obvious would be how smooth the left side wears out (more pronounced and at correct temps with no tears and less chunks)while the right side is more rashed and with little chunks literally coming off as that side remains colder for longer periods of time during a lap... tire warmers are always recommended but rarely used.

Here's the right side wall of my rear Pirelli (sc2 race dot) and you can notice an abrassive type of wear,
could be read as cold wear as well IMHO

Now, this is a pic taken after the first afternoon session,
look how consistent the wear on the left tire wall is- it is obvious that the tire was properly inflated (ran 29 psi cold in the afternoon, both front and rear) and it had reached proper temps before I ran my hot laps.

This pic of the bimmer was taken first thing in the morning off the trailer,
1 month old bike with 1K miles on the clock and first track visit... he did get to the edges soon though.
Either way, lean angles is not what slowed this bike down- this is the 6th full track season that the owner
is doing and he had a K6 cbr1000 and a K9 gixxer1000 before and tracked both religiously

* Last updated by: masszx14 on 4/28/2010 @ 4:12 PM *

I also talked to the owner of the org we tracked with on Monday,
they are sponsored by a local bmw dealership and were running two bikes in street trim (by instructors
and control riders) and one in full race trim with BST wheels, full ti Akra, race plastics etc.
In many words he tried to describe to me how he struggled to "adjust" to the bike
but that was a private conversation. I'll just say that he has forgotten more about bikes that I ever knew...

Here's Tim on one of the bikes in street trim- the white one is a head turner in person IMHO (scroll half way down)
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Well, I can't read a tire, I just roll with them, but IMO, that burn sure looks like it's working smooth and even, and consistent. I would think the warmer is one heat, the tire on the move is another. Warmers are a waste for trackday. Flag dropping is one thing. Granny grunting and following someone around slow so everyone catches up is the warm up without a wall plug. Round and round you go and I would think that is the heat is in the tire, linears up to that temp. She remains constant you remain lapping consistently. Get it?

Big deal, I grease it in the corners or lose the front some. By the time the the fleet of tires everyone has turning, we are all at that same water temp, tire temp, give or take a degree or two in variables. I get it.

Found a video of the bimmer at NHMS, just a track walk-through I guess but it gives an idea

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* Last updated by: masszx14 on 4/28/2010 @ 2:19 PM *

That is one sweet track. I have the music playing in the background. Lots of passing sections. Some are so wide open, you can't cover it fast enough.

I am drooling over Mass' track bike... -bg

Thanks. Not built for good looks but actually descent

Now this is a really good looking track bike but my buddy butchers through a couple of turns
and gets walked on the outside by the guys with bigger cajones and more track seat time... to his disbelieve...
that's easily $25K you're looking at here

* Last updated by: masszx14 on 4/28/2010 @ 4:13 PM *

Looks are secondary. It's what she can DO! -bg