The bike in first pic is a ZX6R.
Congrats Kruz. Now I also have the 1 liter itch.
Steven, scratch that itch!
Created on: 11/19/09 10:26 AM
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Kruz
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 8:27 AM
The bike in first pic is a ZX6R.
Congrats Kruz. Now I also have the 1 liter itch.
Steven, scratch that itch!
Grn14
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Kruz
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 1:21 PM
Thanks Blue, I think if I can clean up the tail section and get a motogp can like the one below on there, she's gonna be gorgeous.
Grn14
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 2:51 PM
So this is your "track" bike.You're gonna be doin track days with it?Geez...seems like such a blast to be able to get to a track with a bike like that and get busy!Wish we had something like that(tracks) up here.They have several good sites that have plenty of potential-but NOBODY seems interested in building a good track.Maybe someday here.God knows there enough guys that would spend mucho time at a track here.I know I would!Have a blast with yer new guided missile there!
masszx14
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 4:37 PM
You guys are almost ruining this thread with all sorts of squidly fender eliminator and integrated turn signals conversations.
The bike needs:
a full system, anything but a Yoshimura!, pcV , bmc air filter
ss lines and good aftermarket brake pads/ levers are optional
an aftermarket steering damper
aftermarket rear sets
520 chain/ sprocket conversion with at least -1 front
Woodcraft frame sliders
a Speedcell
etc.
Steven14
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Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 5:47 PM
Appearance is the first thing to change in my book but it is true that you have to make those changes with a view to maximizing performance. Don't buy a pipe you like the looks of if it doesn't seem to be highly recommended for performance. That's the way for me, anyway.
Case in point, that M-4 retro Kruz showed us above is about the hottest looking exhaust I have ever seen. I wanted a set of slips for the 14 but then I decided I didn't want any exhaust if it didn't maximize all of the performance i could get out of the engine. If M-4 made a full system for the 14, I might have well bought it. I think that M-4 is beautiful on the ZX-10 or any literbike but it would have to be a full system and be proven as a contender with Brocks in weight and performance before i would put it on a ZX-10 of my own. Personally, I will go brock's the next time I buy a pipe. There's just too much screwing around and wondering what map will work best with anything else. Go with Brock's and if it isn't perfect, at least you know you came as close as humanly possible.
..But damn, does the M-4 look sweet on that ZX-10 or what??
Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 6:45 PM
Kruz wrote: Rook, I could use some of your help fingering out how to make this sows ear into a silk purse. I know there is a good looking bike hiding in there somewhere!
Hahaha- you're asking me, buddy?! My feeling is that it should stay a sow's ear and just trim down a bit. I don't think you should go for too smooth a look because that was never the intent of the guys who designed it in the first place. That piece of heat deflector that looks like it fell off?-- they just decided the bike ran better or was easier to change mufflers without it. There was no point in trying to fix it to look "right." They just let it look like a race bike. The street stuff was never meant to be on there either but they had to have it to sell the bike.
Here's what I would be thinking about.
Go with the smoked LEDS. It looks light enough that you can see through the lens so I would imagine the lights will be visible. On the off chance the LEDS are not visible enough, you are just going to have to get your hands on some OEM rear directionals from some bike and mount them to some kind of hand made aluminum bracket painted black. Attach the bracket to the holes where the rear fender stuck into the tail. You could also attach a single stap of aluminum to the underside of the tail using the stock hole(s) of the rear fender. This would run up to the base of the tail light and there the strap would be bent over just like an L bracket. Attach a cross piece with holes drilled for lic tag attachment. <<I have seen LEDs that screw into the bottom holes of the lic tag to illuminate. They were made by targa but it looked like you had to buy the whole fender eliminator kit to get the LEDs.
I think you are stuck with the mirror front directionals. I would try some ZX-6 a/o 14 front directionals to see how they fit the contour of the 10's fairing. If it looks close or dead on, cut it away with a dremmel at some point. You might be able to make up the difference in shape, if there is a difference, with some kind of rubber sealer gasket you cut out of an inertube or something. I would suffer it out a year though. You can't change that one back.
You could easily mask the can and paint it with high temp black. I wouldn't bother if you are going to change to an after market exhaust. It's always good to have the OEM stuff in good condition for resale.
You might want to try taking that belly pan off. It looks good with but without to show off a black painted (or ceramic if you feel you need that) midpipe might look really cool and interupt the squarishness of the profile.
I really like passenger seat covers. I would pick up a black targa.
Romans
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Rook
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Romans
Location: Toronto,ON
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Romans
Location: Toronto,ON
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Romans
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 7:47 PM
Thanks Romans, why did you back out on the BMW? I heard that the new Beemer is going to destroy all the liter bikes including the Aprilia RSV4 but who really knows until the bike actually hits the street?
I got home from the bike show after setting up the appointment to buy and I kept up with this.....20,600 for a bike that's in it's first year and has yet to prove itself. I must have rocks in my head. The stealer claims only 150 bikes coming into Canada......more BS. I do believe this bike will prove to be the clear winner in the shootouts, but you never know. For now I will wait. Cheers.
Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 10:01 PM
^^About $15,000 OTD in Milwaukee for an rr.
The undertail looks real nice with the green but I don't know if it would make a big difference on a black bike. It does solve the rear directionals problem and the lic tag problem. I like the seat cover too.
Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/17/09 10:07 PM
I must ask Rook, what took you so long ?
In fact, you could say it is twice as much not a problem and I would really like to go for three!
* Last updated by: Rook on 12/17/2009 @ 10:08 PM *
masszx14
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Kruz
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/18/09 7:15 AM
You guys are almost ruining this thread with all sorts of squidly fender eliminator and integrated turn signals conversations.
The bike needs:
a full system, anything but a Yoshimura!, pcV , bmc air filter
ss lines and good aftermarket brake pads/ levers are optional
an aftermarket steering damper
aftermarket rear sets
520 chain/ sprocket conversion with at least -1 front
Woodcraft frame sliders
a Speedcell
etc.
Woa Mass, you make it sound like we got money growin on trees down here in Texas! I'm going to be on a budget for awhile, as in my piggy bank is broke. Remember, I just went through all of this about 8 months ago with the CBR. This was an unexpected buy....I'm gonna blame it all on Rook! J/K Rook. Anyway, all that stuff will come in time but right now I'm just looking for ways to clean her up quickly and the tail is a prime candidate for a cheap upgrade. Y'know lotsa bang for the buck.
Kruz
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/18/09 7:25 AM
The undertail looks real nice with the green but I don't know if it would make a big difference on a black bike. It does solve the rear directionals problem and the lic tag problem
That undertail kit with the turn signals intergrated in does look good Rook, do you know who makes it? I'm trying to make up my mind whether to go with the integrated turn signals in tail light for an ultr-sanitary look or the mini blinkers or something like that underbody. I want it to look clean but highly visible when I signal a turn.
Kruz
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/18/09 7:30 AM
Case in point, that M-4 retro Kruz showed us above is about the hottest looking exhaust I have ever seenthe M4 would look awesome on the black one but yua re right, the performance would not be there and it would probably be annoyingly loud.
Akropovic seems the way to go on the ZX-10. I'm leaning towards the Evolution Titanium Race, pricey but feather light and it unleashes the full fury of the motor. The '08/'09 10s have killer power hiding inside just waiting to be let out.
Even the Akro slipon with link pipe is putting down over 170 rear wheel with dramatically improved low and midrange.
Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/18/09 7:31 AM
I must ask Rook, what took you so long ?
You don't want to jump on these mods right away and ruin that stock bike feel or looks...
All I can say is if you've never modded but you have ridden, you really don't know what you are missing.
Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/18/09 7:39 AM
Kruz wrote:
That undertail kit with the turn signals intergrated in does look good Rook, do you know who makes it?
Hot Bodies.
Check with Romans to find out if the color and fit worked out for him. I'm pretty sure he posted that he was very pleased with both aspects despite the many complaints by other owners of color match and fitment on the ZX-14.
and:
Akropovic seems the way to go on the ZX-10. I'm leaning towards the Evolution Titanium Race, pricey but feather light and it unleashes the full fury of the motor. The '08/'09 10s have killer power hiding inside just waiting to be let out.
I would spend a few hundred more if it cut 7-8 lbs off and improved performance as well. I haven't looked into Akrapovic at all. It is recommended a lot. I'd wait a while on that and make a good choice. Perhaps you have already culled the statistics. Brock's should have your mapping covered for you. That engine has been out for the 3rd year running. I'm sure the headers and midpipe are made of some pretty light gauge tubing but just imagine 8 lbs! I doubt anyone is going to make anything lighter. Loud isn't too bad if you wear earplugs but I like a loud bike.
Evolution Titanium Race That's a 2000 dollar pipe. You sure you don't want a Brock's?
* Last updated by: Rook on 12/18/2009 @ 8:03 AM *
Romans
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/18/09 3:00 PM
Akropovic seems the way to go on the ZX-10. I'm leaning towards the Evolution Titanium Race, pricey but feather light and it unleashes the full fury of the motor. The '08/'09 10s have killer power hiding inside just waiting to be let out.
Kruz, The Black Carbon Akrapovic would complete that clean look you are after. Silver,stainless steel looking Pipe on that bike just won't do. IMO of course. Oh ya, the undertail kit will also to help eliminate another 2lbs of unwanted weight.
Rook
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/19/09 8:25 AM
Kruz. It will be interesting to hear what exhaust you pick out for the ZX-10 and why. The dyno graphs were nearly identical for each of the systems I considered for the 14. Maybe you are finding greater differences. If you hear something recommended over and over, I think that is the best way to go. It's really a peace of mind issue. Anything you put on there is going to improve performance and appearance. It's just a question of what do you think will improve it most.
hoopie
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RE: back to the zx10r?
12/19/09 8:31 AM
I guess Im the odd ball out here. I think the black zx10 is awesome looking. Nicer than the hondas, especially the new ones. I cant warm up to it.
Romans
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