how about we just take the money and turbo something you own ..

Hohohoho- now there ya go. Kruz doesn't go for turbo though.

The 2010 has a few nice upgrades including transmision.

Why not have the top dog in it's latest version?

Is there really that much dif in performance or is it another G1/G2 ZX-14 story? there must be huge dif in price.

Hohohoho- now there ya go. Kruz doesn't go for turbo though.

if he ever rode one.. he turbo everything ..

I think he did it. Kruz put the first hundred miles on his new ZX-10 today and he's pulling the rear fender off right now.

i don't know why anybody would want 2 liter bikes ..

everyone that rides track should have a designated street bike and a track bike IMHO

everyone that rides track should have a designated street bike and a track bike IMHO

most of them track guys (road course) say they don't ride street .. to dangerous

most of them track guys (road course) say they don't ride street .. to dangerous

Not me! And I usually see guys with garages full of bikes that are afraid of the track- it exposes the rider's skills.

My gf has a track 07 gsxr 1000 and a street 09 R1 and having only one bike would mean constant fairing swapping, wheels/ tires swapping, brake pads swapping, suspension redialing etc.- way too much work to convert to either track or to street. If you want to do track days the right way that is.

I used to do that with my old 10r and I would have the bike sit and wait for the next track day with the race fairings on in the garage for 3-4 weeks while missing good summer riding weather just because I was so tired of constantly swapping and tweaking parts.

One street, one track and a good tourer or just a different street machine for a back up is my personal preference.

The 2010 10r got the same smooth shifting tranny as the new 6r and people are constantly raving about the shifting on the 6r. The one upgrade that it didn't receive is the inverted forks that also made the 6r an almost instant favorite in the 600 class and it also didn't receive the killer Nissin calipers from the 6 and 14 and still have somewhat inferior oem brake setup. The bigger oem exhaust muffler probably means more noise and emission restriction which will knock a few ponnies off... just my gut feeling, will see.
Very interested to see the 2010 liter shootouts and dyno pulls, I wouldn't mind another 10 as I still to this day regret selling my red 05.

^^I think a 2010 leftover will cost 12,000 clams sticker price when the summer of 2011 rolls around. I'd grab an 08 and spend that 3 grand on brakes, exhaust, suspension upgrades if I felt I needed to. A super smooth gearbox would be nice but if the 08 were so bad, that would have been revealed by now.

Good riding weather in Texas this weekend, I hear....or did Kruz come to his senses?

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/13/2009 @ 9:00 AM *

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/12/bmw-s1000rr-makes-183hp-on-dyn.html

This one is getting a lot of press lately. I'd wait to see if it really is all the numbers are promising. The big Ducati of last year never proved itself.

firecombs wrote:

Kruz shit or get off the pot. Are you scared to pull the trigger. Your acting like a little girl in a short skirt.

I dare you to buy that 10!

Your not man enough to buy that 10!

That 10 would be your demise!

That's right, pull out that check book. Prove your a MAN!

... you are gonna let me ride it when you bring er' home right???

By the way. I like the green

Firecombs... where you been hiding lately,I'd about given you up for dead? It was starting to get kinda lonely around here with only 1Bad to abuse me. BTW I pulled the trigger and bought the 10 in Diablo Black on Saturday. Probably the most boneheaded thing I've done in years, like I really needed another bike....and yes, I'll let you ride it sometime if you promise to behave!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 12/14/2009 @ 7:43 AM *

rook wrote:

I think he did it. Kruz put the first hundred miles on his new ZX-10 today and he's pulling the rear fender off right now.

It's a done deal Rook, Kawasaki of Irving is delivering the bike this afternoon, strangely I'm not excited at all. More like apprehensive. Weather was garbage here Saturday so the stealer agreed to trailer it the 25 miles up to me today. I'm taking the afternoon off from work and hope to get some break in miles done before dark. It's clear here and forecast to be in the low to mid 70's this afternoon so that might just work out. I went with an '08 model in the Diablo Black, very conflicted right now about dropping this much cash, over $10K driveout, in a lousy economy. Nobodies job seems secure anymore, I think you should think long and hard about doing this unless you just have cash to burn. I don't! All your points were valid in an earlier post, maintenance on all this hardware is now starting to get expensive with $300 oil changes every 2000 miles (that's $30 for oil and filter and $270 on front and rear tires)on the literbikes. Oh well, give me a few months to get all this sorted out and I'll let you know if it was worth it. Pics and first ride report to follow soon.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 12/14/2009 @ 7:33 AM *

Mass wrote:

The 2010 10r got the same smooth shifting tranny as the new 6r and people are constantly raving about the shifting on the 6r.

Hmmmm, Mass, is there a problem I'm not aware of with the '08/'09 tranny? I read everything I could find on the internet about this machine before making the decision and it seems to have scored top marks for shifting.

A few thoughts on buying a new bike. With a dealership test ride now almost out of the question, how do you know what you're actually buying and whether you'll even like it? With a new bike costing over 10 large nowadays, it's a question that begs asking. Your choices here are limited if the dealer says no. You can beg, borrow or steal a ride from one of your buddies if he's pre-disposed to that sort of thing and owns the bike you're lusting after. That's one way, hopefully a good long ride, not just around the block. The only other way is to rely on the plethora of "first ride reports, "road tests" and "shootout" comparisons that appear in the motorcycling rags. I have to wonder,just how accurate is this information and what are the testers biases. Like..... hmmmm.... who spends the most money on advertising. With the 10R, nobody I know owns one, the dealerships wouldn't give me a test ride so you're stuck with bouncing up and down on the bike a few times on the showroom floor and reading everything you can on the internet. You look for a consensus and hopefully if you do enough homework, a pattern begins to emerge. This never really happened with the 10R. It seems like it played second fiddle to the new Honda CBR in almost every comparison with the notable exception of Sport Rider magazine where it dominated, in their opinion. One writer/tester says this bike has a firmly planted front end with loads of quality feed back while another says the front end felt skittish and nervous. One says the front is stable while another says it'll do lock to lock stainers even with the damper wound to the max. One tester raved about low end power and off corner drive, another says it felt soft down low. One tester said vibration free while another said omnipresent engine vibes especially at 5500 rpm. One tester said best suspenion of any liter machine, another tester parked his and says it beat his fillings out. What gives? It makes you wonder if these guys are even talking about the same bike. I finaly decided to throw in the towel,take a chance, buy one and find out for myself.

Kruz:

We are anxious he hear what you found out! -bg

I've never ridden a litrebike-but Kruz-you should have a blast with your new 10.Shifting is supposed to be very nice!.Be careful with er-don't want to have any horror stories about "well,now I've really done it".I'm sure she'll fly like a bird-watch those wheelies!!Congrats on yer new ride there!I would imagine she'll run like a mini 14.Probably smooth as silk and badazz!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/14/2009 @ 2:37 PM *

Matt 6:19-21

* Last updated by: painterdude on 12/14/2009 @ 3:48 PM *

Congrats, Kruz!! I'm happy for you!

......strangely I'm not excited at all. More like apprehensive.

I wouldn't bother over the 10 thou too much. It's a pile of money no matter how you look at it. What's 1 or 2 thousand bucks? You got just what you wanted without having to concede on anything even so much as color. Can't wait to see pics, BTW.

Don't rush on the mods too much - make sure you mod them each for what they are best suited to do and I am sure you will have two different bikes. I am finding that all my mods are more or less the same on the busa and the 14 (A/F module, self tuner, exact same pipe) so far and I have to stop doing that.

Don't make any rash decisions after riding a few hundred miles either. I have found that my initial impressions changed somewhat after i got used to the new bike.

You can't look back now. You just took one more step into your passion. When you get to be an old codger you will look back with a big grin on your face and say, "Damn, I'm so glad I lived my life to the fullest." Good for you, bro.......enjoy all your bikes. I'm anxious to hear your reviews. Wish I could ride with ya. Maybe if nobody picks up that blue 08 zx-10 in the next few months I'll go for it.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/14/2009 @ 4:39 PM *

PAINTERDUDE!Thanks for the reminder .Always good to keep things in perspective.Have to tell myself fairly often-"it's JUST a bike!"(albeit an AWESOME ONE!)

bawahahahalmao

mass you just don't take a new bike and do trackdays .. well maybe its not new after 2 laps

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 12/14/2009 @ 5:29 PM *

Matt 6:19-21

Right on... -bg

It's a done deal

Congrats Kruz, I too have bike fever. I just wish I could figure out why.....? These threads maybe.... or maybe it's the wifes 6R making me nuts(I should have stayed off it)Also, Just backed out on BMW 1000RR. Was the right thing to do....Right? Anyway I'm glad you have a new horse in your stable cheers.

Congrats! The black one is my favorite by far. Pics would be great.

1Bad, I've never taken a bike with less than 1K on the odo to the track,
if you need more seat time than that you should probably reconsider track days IMHO.
Everyone will eventually crash, I've had two major spills and would have probably had more if I had more track visits. Not shameful, just costly as I'm still rebuilding my 750.

Yeah, I'm with ya on the new acquisition. Ride it and have fun. Nobody deserves it more than you. Now get up on there and whip some ass. Get your dealer to deliver it to a desolate location. Warm it up for ten minutes and then do a quick test ride for a mile or so. Then, 6 roll ons from 2000 rpm. Two 1/4 throttle to 4000 rpm in first, two 1/2 throttle to 8000 rpm in second and then two WOT to 14,000 rpm or whatever that thing runs up to -- third gear if you can handle that on the road you're on....I suppose you'll be doing about 140. Full decel after each roll on. Change oil ASAP ~twenty-five miles. Ride it progressively softer up to 1000 miles changing oil every 200-300 miles. That's what i would do.

Painterdude wrote:

Matt 6:19-21

Ouch...point taken Painter. I'm reminded of Luke 6:42 here but perhaps that's a little harsh, I know you mean well and I appreciate your concern. I guess the point is all of us have owned more motorcycles than we really need. It's interesting how another Christian brother had a different take on it. He said "That's great, nothing brings you closer to God than riding a fast motorcycle". I tend to agree.

Peace Brother!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 12/15/2009 @ 8:18 AM *

You guys were right, I really like the new bike! Thanks to all for the positive comments. Still not sure if this was the wisest allocation of resources but it's done now, I'm not going to beat myself up over it. I got in a little over 50 miles yesterday afternoon, still haven't gotten into the upper rpm reaches where the big power is but she really starts to take off beyond 7000. I can already tell this is going to be one blistering fast motorcycle! Power is very smooth and linear, a bit soft on the bottom or maybe it's just the tall gearing but you need a little clutch pulling away. The low end to midrange power is not as strong as my CBR but then again it has silky smooth delivery compared to the CBR's 4000 rpm flat spot. Shifting is super sweet, with the only exception being trying to find neutral while still rolling is difficult. I was shocked by the ergos, this bike fits me like a glove and I'm 6'3"! The suspension was another revelation, I was expecting a brutal ride judging from the magazine commentaries. Maybe it's my 225 lbs working but the suspension felt great, taut and firm but compliant. You know you're on a race bike but it handled freeway expansion joints at speed better than my CBR. I got an occasional kickback from the rear end over a pothole but overall the suspension feels great. Upper body wind protection is adequate with no buffeting but I did have trouble getting my shoulders out of the blast since the windscreen is tiny. The handling felt good, no headshake evident but then again I wasn't riding anywhere near the limits where headshake normally shows up. Initial turn in is not as quick as my CBR, the CBR is 20 lbs lighter with steeper geometry and feels more flickable. I wasn't pushing the cornering envelope though so my initial impressions may change when I get some more time in the saddle. Overall this bike has a very refined feel and for now I'm very pleaased with my purchase. I'll get some pics posted as soon as I can.