Anyone try this in a ZX-14? http://www.evanscooling.com/water-based-vs-waterless-differentiators/
Some of the 'Busa guys around here swear by it and it works just fine in the Dodge Viper engines we've tried it in.
I've seen substantially lower operating temperatures in many cases.
And it works great in the drag (car) engines that use "coolant" in the blocks, but no circulating coolant systems..

Ronnie

* Last updated by: Ronnie on 5/23/2011 @ 4:31 PM *

nope but I might try that if this don't work thanks.

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Quote from the Evans site: "can attain all of the benefits of the Evans Cooling System with ease. Quite simply, Evans Cooling Systems require no major mechanical changes, just a parts exchange. You may need the specialized NPG™ coolant pump, NPG™ radiator with a non - pressurized radiator cap as well as the new Evans NPG™ Coolant. With a few tools and our easy to follow, step - by - step, instructions, you can easily and safely convert your vehicle to the Evans NPG™ Cooling Systems in a couple of hours."

So it is not just a pour-in-and-go solution.

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privateer-

Thanks for finding that, although it is confusing to me..

I'm going to ask Evans in the morning to see what they are referring to with regards to their "Conversion".
Maybe they also sell rads, water pumps, etc.??

Here is another link: http://www.prolubricants.com/2011/evans-waterless-coolant-technology/
Check out the last sentence of the first paragraph.

I have never changed ANY components using this coolant and have had no problems.
The biggest concern is getting ALL of the old coolant out.

PS- I don't sell this stuff nor do I have an affiliation with anyone that does.
So far it seems to be a great product.
Thanks again..

Ronnie

* Last updated by: Ronnie on 5/23/2011 @ 7:52 PM *

Hi-

I spoke with Evans Coolant this morning and suggested they at least revise (remove?) the Conversion Section on their website.

What was explained to me is some older vehicles such as the BB 'Vettes HAD cooling system issues that can be resolved with modern rads, water pumps etc.

But, no, there are no modifications required in an "average" application. Just dump in their coolant and go. They have been in business for over 20 years and are experts in this field. There number is 1.860.364.5130 if you have additional questions.

Ronnie

But I'm not happy with the heat of this thing either I'm wiring in a 7in fan this week and changing to a 75/25 mix of water and antifreeze to see if it will drop a bar or so.

Adding a fan will not make the bike run cooler, nor will changing the coolant ratio.

* Last updated by: Edgecrusher on 5/24/2011 @ 10:35 AM *

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I vote BAN DOUCHEHUB

Sorry, justins07zx10. Not gonna happen... Hub is a fixture here. Deal with it. -bg

I do have an aftermarket pipe and fuel map which I believe removes a ton of heat from under you, maybe not all from the engine, but definetely the removal of the cats is a huge help. Having said that, I think guys are overly concerned with too much heat, I was too in the begining, I have idled for a long time in traffic on a hot day and did not have any issues other that some discomfort on my legs, if it was an issue with the bike Kawasaki surely would have dealt with it, rest assured, you are not causing damage to your bike with your temp gauge running towards the upper end, If coolant boils over, you have issues.

Water disapates heat more than any additive i.e water wetter or engine ice. Pure water will and More water less antifreeze should drop the temp. Just my theory we will see if it works. The second fan will not bring the temp down I know but It will help keep it cooler while in traffic.

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And BG thats why this site stays dead. This is the second thread in less than a month that he has caused problems with new members. thats a good way to get more members right there.

* Last updated by: justins07zx10 on 5/24/2011 @ 11:38 AM *

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BGordon: i suppose if that is your method of dealing with a small percentage of shitty members, is to tell the other members who are actually interested in a somewhat intelligent conversation regarding motorcycles, (on a motorcycle forum) is to tell the other members to kiss your ass and deal with it (which is what i am receiving here)... then you are no better then the passive aggressive approach Hub is taking himself.

having admin-ed a forum myself, i recognize how quickly a few members, like Hub, will greatly affect how often other members are interested in posting. friendly banter is perfectly acceptable. but i don't know hub and he has certainly made me feel unwelcome. and, whilst i am a man of fairly adequate intelligence, i have found his posts to be nothing more then someone typing for sake of typing, littered with what seams to be personal insults, and offers no evidence of comprehensible suggestion for the issue i have stated above. anyone having an issue like mine, now has to sort thru several posts to find the few of us actually talking about the issue, amongst even more posts of this crap that Hub has strewn over my thread.

i see that, while this is a smaller forum, i have noticed a few people offering advice and experience of their own, and i return the favor when i can. i will not put up with much more of the crap that i am seeing from hub, on several other threads as well.

there are many MANY other forums available for this motorcycle. would you, BGordon, suggest we find another forum?

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^^^ agreed sir well said.

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ha! I was wondering how long before it would be BG's fault.

oops. sorry about that, don't mind me, carry-on...

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Ralley,

This bike is one of the more bulletproof bikes out there. I live in a world wear out a few start barking this is how it is suppose to be, throw up banners yet wave and let them wave is you are going to cut your own throat so who you gonna blame, BG? Send him under the bus because he likes the old website kind of party town and everyone has their little room to play in.

Once you insult 'bulletpoof' you go into the klinker. You need to prove without a doubt you are sitting over an engine and now tell shovelaya, you want the leather seat over the V-10; how stupidoes that sound? You need to bring sound advice here or you alone will show yourshelf-live; this bike lives on with our without your input.

I'm amp pee tude putting you to the test you complain to Mother TEAPOT about her design being flawed. Once you see that flag raised, I'm going toe defend that engineering. Toe stepping on no toes but your abstract. It's no wonder you raize a banner and start crying to me about being insulted and you bring that fallacy in [someone's face] and someone besides me is question thatoot outhEARS.

All I can tell you is that if you bring in that weak after week after weak theory [fat-chance] your idea is the better idea, not the peep who wrote the book. Then, you are aboutoesteppedGUN in the IR-uGumming the gong show...Keep thinKing? This is called smoke you read down to here. This is called; trapped [yourself] ass you have the instruction book in front of you, correct? Can read it as the abstract DICAKESit in the face. Now [that I am gone]... You, DustyCrustyRusty, can come up and start answering key Q/s and get P'Don a lie yearight back here and watch. I hear MORE AIR HEADS, no the SANE_SANE clean heads; that have their feet on the floor... Bored?

Say yes I am.
Say no he's not.
Yes he is.
No, ID !DK, did you check his ID tag I could not enter a no fry zone? When you begin to make rules; do not apply here.

May I see your ticket stub? Oh yes, you are in row B, section 8... Oh, someone is there waiting for you. Very exclusive club over there with team RB Racing, Ivan, Rusty's dusty dyno I know, I know...

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And why would you run a low temp thermostat in sportscars. to keep intake air temps down. the cooler the air in the faster you go. hints cold air intakes. running temps are not the problem it the air around the hotter motor that causes heat in the intake to go up. keep them down motorcycle runs cooler runs better gets you there faster thats why ol yeller will tax your ass.

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I just want you to answer this. why moddify your motorcycle if everything the factory did is the best thing you could do? There are always ways to make things better. I don't want my motorcycle running at 190* 200* range i want it around 150 160 on a hot summer day riding down the street. What is wrong with someone wanting that. I bet your one of the guys that leaves the broke p.o.s cct in becuase its factory and they know what they are doing right. just listen to you cam chain rattle until the oil pressure builds enough. Come on dude grow up if you don't agree with something don't try and make it sound like you are mister know all and thats that becuase you don't know shit but what you have read on google.

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Wheeee....I'm feelin...well.....ALIVE!I mean...really...what's important here?HUB's way of saying things.My way of replacing sensors?(go ahead Hub...)Nah.....hot bike...go faster.Slippery tires?...Get some Pirellis!Want a badazz map...call Jeffo.Need advice on anything pictures...get a hold of the Rookster.Need to find out how to blow up yer engine?...call 1Bad.

Now we have "the Edgeman"...now this guys got his shit together...really.LOOK at that avatar will ya?Anyone likin boobs THAT HUGE surely knows EVERYTHING about the big bird zx.He's a man's man....NO QUESTION about that!

Hub stays.And so does Justin.Can anyone say...deja' vu?

This forum aint dead.Not as long as I'm still kickin.Youse guys are great...all of ya.Imagine all of us on ONE BIG RIDE together.SHWEEEET!

Gotta say...I truly think only Heathun would be able to keep up with MY azz out there.So there....ahem...MAYBE HUB....he's perhaps crazy enough.Got the scars to prove it as well

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/24/2011 @ 4:24 PM *

No difference in sound, just radiated heat and appearance. IMO, they look way better than the brownish-rust look of heated stainless. I do have the stock header with Area P slip ons. But mine is an '06, so that means no cat in the header.

Yeah, after I posted, I noticed where you are. No off season for you!

This is the "aluminum look" ceramic coating.

Second fan from a ZX6 off e-bay.

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Now THAT looks trick.Gotta say....good job with that fan deal .I do have a question here though.Seriously...not bein a smart azz here....if the engineers at Kawi really wanted to "drop the temps" on their beloved flagship....wouldn't they have designed that in there?I mean,something to drop the engine heat...like they did on the Connie 14.I suspect there's a genuine "reason" they want their zx14 engine to run at the temps it does.Just sayin.That connie engine has been "modded" from the factory to perform a certain way.It's the same motor...but the performance expectations are different from that design.Small tweaks have been made for that bike.It does something DIFFERENT than the zx.IDK.Probably IF I rode in a hot environment,I'd feel differently about the "heat" issue.But seriously....I trust the Mfg's to know what's actually best for my baby.They had no way of knowing WHERE my particular bike would end up.And I've actually NEVER heard of a zx14 overheating.Not yet anyway.

You look at the Connie...they changed the fairing work.Because of customer complaints.Have they changed the zx fairing work to "change" any heating issues.Nope...not yet.She's been out since 06.That's a lot of "hot engine riding".There's nothing wrong with the zx14 engine configuration.The cooling system.Nothing.It's performing exactly as they wanted it.As I ride my bike over time...and this is also confirmed (strangely enough)by THE HUBSTER!!!!!!!!!She's BULLETPROOF.Gotta say...my bike set up stock performs exactly as it's supposed to.I've tried a lot of different "mods" for this or that.Spent boo coo bucks thinking.."this will make her better".Guess what.Yep....you guessed it.Now I'm not saying that the bike can't be modded for a few things personal....which will make it more enjoyable(if that's possible).But I'm at stock screen....that was a long way around finding out that she actually works better factory set.

Sounds trivial..."stock windscreen"...ya...big deal.But honestly,she does ride different and corners better with that stock one on there.

Pipes...ya....I wanted a tad bit more breathability.And weight loss.Performance increase I have to say...was MINIMAL at best.PC installed...ONLY for the ability to change a possible lean condition with aftermarket pipes.Performance gain?.....noticeable,but could have stayed with stock and she would have been fine.

Timing advancer...ya...another little do dad.Not necessary.But a bit of an increase in peppyness.Could do without it easily.

This bike works stock excellently.I only "personalized" mine for a bare minimum of performance gain.If my stock cans weren't so darn heavy-I'd have kept those on there.Okay....I removed the flies WAY BACK.But I think Kawasaki designed those to look out for the new guys(me) wanting a 180 hp motorcycle.But they could have easily stayed in....they do what they're supposed to.

And I think the heated engine thing is exactly how it's designed to run.NOT cooler.Right where they want it for max performance and rideability.This is afterall...a computer controlled engine...there's a lot of variables going on at any given time that need to stay at certain parameters for the best performance possible.Heat is no exception.In fact...it's critical for the max hp and such.

Okay....so before anyone wants me banned for being a pompous azz...let me clarify something.My comments about "outriding" everyone here...it's not to be taken seriously.There are WAY better riders here than I could ever try to be.I don't really consider myself a "good rider" with sportbikes.The truth is...I'm taking my chances everytime I go out.I've truly been LUCKY I haven't cracked myself up by now.I've had some pucker moments...that's for sure.Dumb luck.That's what I've got.DUMB luck.Some would say.."he's the WORST rider I've ever seen".That's the truth there.Just check out my vids...that'll confirm everything I'm sayin.You guys all ride safe out there.So we can all come back here and be forum members as we are .Vids..."bluzxable" on YouTube.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/24/2011 @ 5:28 PM *

I just want you to answer this. I don't want my motorcycle running at 190* 200* range i want it around 150 160 on a hot summer day riding down the street. What is wrong with someone wanting that.

Because there is a power drop-off if that dyno was in my garage I'd have snowflake set for that day's map. I do not chase 150 or 160 degrees for HP. If HP is a 230°F = She is tuned to HP, not engine temp my thermostat my nuts less damp to turn the oil a chocolate color shake [that runs too cold] to burn off the condensation in the crankcase. That was one example you remove the thermostat kind of variable. Ya blew a step to tuning, not a head gasket.

I bet your one of the guys that leaves the broke p.o.s cct in because its factory and they know what they are doing right. just listen to you cam chain rattle until the oil pressure builds enough.

The day I first bought this bike = No Cam noise. The day I removed that bike off the dyno = Noise at the cam chain as if that roller was not real world torque @ lift. Say more that softer brake apply of the rear brake won't damage it. Then again, you better come over here, look at my back brake pads. I have no clue about that variable vs. rear brake world apply and basket-roller-ripping-Salvaged itself as in [real world] says I have zero problems with a pre-prime-time-no matter time is time like who did not get lubed= How-to Install an audible oil pump pressure sensor to the ear drum dumb-did-he-say-dumb-dumb-hooked one!

Zer0 = Problemsayshe!

Come on dude grow up if you don't agree with something don't try and make it sound like you are mister know all and thats that because you don't know shit but what you have read on google.

The evidence has to be where you show me where I am stopping the setup but contributing to how I would set the tensioner up = Static Style. You need to show me where I said stop, do not use a race tensioner. Where is it said I am laughing at that stock tensioner I have and it burps an audio like I need an oil gauge to tell me the oil pump is working = Install dyno?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, he no me have fun run inn upa yo ass and ass fast as that went INN I haven't a whiff of "DONTDOO" on me. B-RinG-it. She YO me I stopped you dead in your tracks or helped push you off the cliffile that in your trousershrivelips. Stop looking like your nut sack.

Yes or no?
No he said yes.
Yes he did.
No he wont say.
Yes he will.
No wee-wee wont he.
Yes, well he shed dat his dusty drum was a spark plug away from a vacation and I also sai...
No, dont start in you piss IS everyone off ice. I'm going to the front office. I can't take dish shit. Where is my spoon and napkin? Cheeze is... And who drank all the beerskis?
Yes, you drank it.
No, I bought it, remember, I forgot my wallet and...
Yes you did and I had to have Cody Why are you Moaning?

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Well said. Azz if I don't rag on you say nothing you are ahead of the curve LOL. That takes riding to find that out so welcome to the slow pokes cause I'm justice asslow. I just glow like I know my shit. I've been telling you all along we are on the same page you find out I stink and you now complain about you all ready knowing it pointing it ouTToo me TooT.

OK, now that I said that... Who's buying. I stopped taking sugar no shit. I've got zip for beer in the fridge. She came home with what she wanted. Notice that honey due listizz. I have to stay here and watch you piss your moan knee and here I am weez'inn snowflackiss is cleaning my shewoozizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Red trace: i appreciate your pics. i really like the way the ceramic looks too... im gonna be shopping for an additional fan later this month.

Blue: I totally understand the theories of why engineers built this engine the way they did. here is another take on that argument. in order for the eningeers to get these motorcycles to pass US federal emissions, and even worse, 50 state bikes (meaning they pass CA's even more strict emissions) they have to make less then desirable changes to the design. that said, its also very common for mods to be made to sport bikes, and thru listening to bikes of all makes and models, the public has been left finding appropriate changes to motorcycles in order to suit the needs of given riders in given scenarios. I don't know about most of the riders here, but most of my rides consist of greater then 70 miles. often, 150-350 miles in a day. this leave my bike subject to a greater heat range from as low as 35 degrees to as much as 100.

in my situation, i have had my bike over heat in as little as 65 degree weather while traveling thru LA traffic, with lots of stop and go. this seams a little excessive. hence my asking around to see how others are dealing with, or if they are having, the same issue. I will always find ways to make my engine last longer. to add to my own argument of engine longevity, regardless of how well an engine is engineered... engines last longer when they are run cooler. to support this argument, i wonder how much money the after market would not make if all engines were sent out of the factory performing at peak performance or with expectations of 100,000 + miles before rebuild.

this is not to say i don't appreciate a debate. or even and intelligent argument, so please feel free to counter, if you have one.

To Hub, GB, and popcorn eating folks: I just plain do no understand what the hell Hub is saying. i have little patience for childish behavior or deciphering code. its entirely possible i took something personal without understanding Hubs sens of humor, but bottom line is, i don't know what the hell Hub is saying. and i don't have the patience to read and reread his messages to understand if he is offering an intelligent argument, or making a joke out of my initial question. i don't blame GB... but proper moderation of a forum is the only thing that will keep a forum going. I have my own experience in this that more then proves my point. but without getting into all that drama, i will just say that i don't have anything more to prove then the argument i have already made. i don't care to dwell on it, or blame anyone. but if it gets to a point where i don't wish to deal with it, and administration choses to take a passive approach to the situation, then i will find another place to contribute, and ask questions.

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The issue may not be over heating but running hotter than one wants. These bikes peg the factory gauge while sitting but I do not know how many actually over heat. Roll at 20 mph and the gauge drops to more than an acceptable heat range. I have not put a digital/manual gauge to see what the real temp is so who knows how accurate the factory gauge is.

I put a 2nd fan on mine and used engine ice only to try and cool quicker while stopped. The fans kick on and off at the same temp as a single fan so the bike is not running any cooler BUT may cool down quicker while stopped.

That be my buck fitty on the heat subject.

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Maybe I could have made a good cop. Like; Never want me around till AAA breaks down.

[((1-1-9))] < Cell Phone.

Hurry! I need a me can nick is dead!
Holdon sir, did you say Nick the HP?
Hurry!
You don't need a cop.
Will you just hurry!
You needa HUbeeright back.
I just need Nick Key running again. What is HP? Highthere Pee TROLL?
Hubberubber tre I got stuck over at the other thread... Watt seems to be missing?
Hi Have no time just frisk it.
Don't you know I don't touch the members.
I meant, fix it.
I was just about to wrinkle your balls with a pee **** Installer. Lucky you called off the dogs. Tranny problem?
Eye was reading something and had to pull over. Nothing is wong with bulletproof. I had my fogglesmokedear me I can't She.
Here, let hUb have a look at that canna worms you opened up. Yep, here it is. YOu need a diaper pin. It was pulled outta the wall. Did you trip over the cord and the whoresea ride stopped?
Yes, I got all excited over a CD seaweedid... Here, let me get that boot turned upright. Hows my air freshener smell?
She Mel?
Yes, she mel it.

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LYTNIN>>>YES>>>Now someone gets it!!!Exactly my thoughts..."the BIKE DOESN'T RUN ANY COOLER!!!!!!"...it only cools off a bit quicker.Excellent.I was actually gonna say just those words...but forgot while posting.So trying to drop any heat is well....I could see it a worthy effort IF you were continuously in traffic..and lived in a hot environment to begin with.Yes....it would probably be worth it.The thing is though...it doesn't run cooler with twenty fans on there.It might IF you had a manual fan switch.Yes...there's a thought for you guys looking to cool down your engines.Otherwise...she comes on at the same place everytime.And runs till the temp drops to the same level...everytime.Doesn't change the heat deal one bit.Let me say this....whether yer a fan of Jeffo or not.When he mapped my bike for my configuration...I have to say....she ran at least one bar cooler consistently.He said it would,and it has.Now....this is at idle.She doesn't STAY one bar cooler idling IF it's idling for any more than several minutes.But....in stop and go...she doesn't climb as quick as she once did.Truthfully,I think my 4 degree timing advance helped as well.BOTH these combos changed the heat cycle.I can sit at idle for many minutes at a time,and the hottest she's gotten was one bar from the top(meaning...there is still one more bar to go before....).Without these two "mods"...she would and did hit the top bar.But never went into overheat mode.

And I do understand about heat and engine life.No one yet has maxxed out their 14's mileage wise.It's gonna be real interesting to see how many miles these big engines are gonna go.With only periodic maintenance per the manual.I hope I'm still around when the high mileage reports start comin in.My guess...there's gonna be some very happy zx14 owners here.This engine works so well IMO.I'm at 45,000+ miles now.My motor is running better than it ever has.Honest Injun.She's using a wee bit more oil...but nothing like "something's wrong" I ride hard and fast mostly.For extended time periods.The oil use is IMO normal for the kind of riding I do.She's definitely not smoking or fouling plugs and such.I would say...over a one month period...that would be say,6 to 8 times out a month....using 1/8th quart of oil would be okay?Yes?1/8th quart over the whole month that is.And that's with full syn.It might not burn any at all using Dino oil.IDK

Just for shits an giggles...."overheating" with a zx14 engine will show a flashing display on your LCD.Like when your fuel is on "empty".Being at the top of the bar graph is NOT overheating.

I tried water wetter...as per instructions.I saw NO extra cooling going on.I think my last fluid change was with "Peak" 50/50 mix.Green.Just as efficient as the Kawasaki coolant IMO.Has the anti corrosion things in there as well.Probably go back to Kawasaki fluid next time around.Just because.I've no extra coolant things in there now...straight 50/50 mix(pre mixed that is).

There are SO many variables with our bikes....so many.Temps....riding style.Pipe mods.Maps.Humidity.Dry air.Altitudes.Way too many to have a solid rule for every bike here.I think any of the suggestions are just that...personal experiences.The base line is the Manual.Everything else is trial and error IMO.What works for me and my situation may not work at all for anyone else's.I do know this...I've also ridden in 30 degree temps...so at speed,yer talking LOWER...much lower than 30.When I would stop....the lower the temp of my engine...the worse it idled(and performed).She likes being in the middle area.And that's where she levels out on virtually every ride.At midpoint or one,two bars below.I had a Harley that would actually quit running if it was "too cold" out.Not some broke down engine either.A 2000 twin cam 88B....new when I bought it.She had a hell of a time running if it was anywhere "cold" out.

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