so, i searched and found some info on coolants. but none of the thread really answered my question, so here goes:

i have found that while riding in warmer weather, my gauge, or whatever you wanna call it, shows the bike getting very warm. additionally, i have noticed a bit of heat soak in my own genital areas. (nothin worse then schweaty bawls on a hot day after 200 miles... ) so, needless to say, i have considered a few options when it comes to getting my bike to cool the eff down. tell me what you think, what your experiences are and if im way off the mark. LOL

1) different coolant. i like this idea for lots of reasons. most alternatives are "green" where as the green coolant, is, well, not so green (toxic). my hippy friends have a little influence on me now and again, so this seams like a good reason to change out the crap in there anyway. also, i have heard that the alternatives run cooler anyway, and are less corrosive altogether. i have read most of the same stuff anyone else can read, so i am looking for anyone with experience and working knowledge of this stuff. and if you REALLY REALLY like your favorite product, i know some of you do, tell me why its different then the other products.

2) exhaust wrap. i think that by cooling the area just behind the radiator, i will be able to reduce the heat transfered to the radiator, particularly when i am stuck in traffic, (or traveling under, say, 35mph for extended periods of time.) the only down side i have heard about this is it can accelerate rust on the headers. but i don't know if this would truly be an issue for me, as my bike does not often sit for more then 7 days before being ridden. (even during the rainy season.) again, aside from speculation and reading the same stuff i have read, does anyone have experience with this, or maybe some other avenues to consider?

3) the last idea seams far fetched to some. but having a free flowing exhaust can, in theory, reduce the temps in the headers since the gases are not staying in the system as long. this is not something i have read about,its something i have pondered myself and i am interested in hearing your thoughts on this theory.

4) how often? i have 25,000 miles on the bike and its almost 2 years old. i won't feel bad changing some of the fluids at this point.

has anyone else dealt with their bike over heating? i have only had the dash start flashing at me on two occasions. in both situations, i was able to get the bike back to operating speed in a few minutes and it immediately started to cool. Riding in weather over, say, 80 degrees, generally has me with one eye on the gauges, and keeping the speed up slightly to keep the bars down.

Good questions Rally.There are SO many variables when talking about HEAT and the ZX14.The freer flowing exhaust is a plus.Stock coolant works VERY WELL.Some guys have a second fan.This may be your best option.Putting water wetter in your coolant MAY help some.I did that...mixed with the stock coolant(which it says you can do)....I saw no difference in temps.I will say,if you're running a PC,the mapping is very important.You can drop your engine temps with the correct map.I do know this.You can maybe go online and google FAICS Tuning Services.Yes...a Jeffo map.50 dollars....well worth it.Be advised...a few members here had a "bad" experience with their Jeffo maps.But several here have had nothing but good performance from theirs(me included).

You can inspect your coolant condition by opening the reservoir(in a good light) and seeing if there are any "wisps" of white colored "cotton" looking things in there(floating on top).If there are...you NEED to change VERY SOON.Like....immediately!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/14/2011 @ 2:13 PM *

1. I question anything, I immediately run up to the parts liquid racks, find the black and green you all can scream your cream all you want I chase OEM you have any thought you question one pond water for another is your call. Kawi calls the ball on the rack you are safe with me. You question the heavy mat. You question the bars once you begin to move in the air being it is still a water-cooled-air-assist air pump. That green is slippery for long life pump blades. Junk in the air is going to spoil a vacuum if you could have the whole bike living in a vacuum. But that calcium is the same water someplace else like corrodes like rust. Only it looks white.

2. Wrap is crap is for short street work? No way! Stumbles. Loads up. Drops the bottom out. Lots of weight added once the wrap is done. You want lightweight with speed? You wanna look good? Go out [to the garage] every time you get off that bike; borrow the old lady's hair blower so you know that wrap is dry thru and thru... Say yes I want this headache I'm going to cool my bike down with more weight to push is more power means more heat. Say yes, that sounds sound ding-ding I have no time to see if the washer/dryer is adding some capture to the room. So I will sit with the bike and dry it too as my undieshit I forgot the change it to the dryer and I've put a hole in the_____ You know. Blank in the fill.

3. I can stall a bike with a piece of paper at the tip of the outlet. It sucks in, blows out. So, you need to explain to me how if you look at that dyno youtube... AHHHH AHHH, let me speak. ZIf you look at OEM vs. PIPE...
That extra-extra-free flowingshould have waxed that Z, say yes, I thought out of the box and if they were Z for Z or Boo for Boost, I would see that being a constant OEM flows slower and out pee forms the pipe... Let me finish...
Because it was one example and not a scientific fact but slow me the money in this video we have nothing else to go buy; someone out HP'd the facotry... Fac or fic shun did that OEM shu shu shun that saxsayphone is should be in some band not on a bike! Kawi facorty. CORE!

4. I just pulled a number out of the hat when you said the combo; liquids/2yrs. So yes, the 16/24 is more my high/max number. 16 months I better be dumping my brake/waters. 24 mo. and that MO is way overdue. 16m says I am high-end-high-maintenance rotation. 24m says this is book and now start dumping or the pads stick and all that calcium under the quad seal in the caliper = Will Not be able to walk back ~ Releasing Pad off disc.

uh. hub. my head is spinning a bit now... im gonna come back and read this when i have had a few too many to drink and see if i can make sense of it then. ;0) in the mean time, adding a little weight to this bike is not going to slow my down. i don't run it at max speed anywhere. i am trying to get max miles out of it more then top speed, thats why i want to run the as cool as i can.

Blue... i do not have a power commander. i was planning getting one with the new pipes, but a trip to italy has pushed that back another 6 months or so. but that makes sense to me. my understanding is that when an engine is running lean, it exhaust gets hotter, hence burnt valves and holes in pistons. i found that out the hard way a few years back with this bitchen little KZ400 cafe racer. saddens me now.

the last idea seams far fetched to some. but having a free flowing exhaust can, in theory, reduce the temps in the headers since the gases are not staying in the system as long. this is not something i have read about,its something i have pondered myself and i am interested in hearing your thoughts on this theory.

I don't know why that would seem far fetched to anyone. It seems quite intuitive to me and always has. I recently heard that the muffler might get hotter if the exhaust flow is increased. Even if that is so, the engine should run cooler.

By all appearances, a Cannon is about the openest you can have and it does run cooler. The muffler never gets hot enough to burn me and the bike runs almost a full bar less under all conditions. IDK if some of the quieter systems have as much of an effect on heat dissipation but I'm sure they are all better than the stockers that got hot as hell in 5 minutes.

I'm going to drag a bag of coins down the road or a bag of feathers my money is on the bird and you shitting on that turd you should have sent it to me for the ice to keep the brew cold. What in the fuck are you talking about? Does that sound drunk or high end abstract.

Sir, I've been just within say 24 hours or more I had a Fry day night bull ring running around some top builders with shops that come on and we have a little bull ring is I feel it is juice toe like racing we dance on the net or a closed course yo bring that pile of Privvytearshit pile of a snow drift I am not talking any BShit.

Fucking idiot OP I said, say asshole, how is N catching the LAP your fucking ass is? He said I catch it like if I stuck my tongue out at you and like the tongue juice happened to ooopsee that? Snicked that to N like nothing. But I have squid ears and no one is listening.

Next fucking thing out of some mouth with a cha-ching signpost up ahead, says, it's a loose clutch bolt. Imagine, you are slow beer, you need a drink to read my lines and I have you so goof the foofthefuckedup, you ever watch my videos? I drive drunk to you? Slob beer my words? Stumble I only use one take and fuck it ain't my fucking problem bike I do a routine wax job on my bike though, I'm all clustizz flubber says you!

I'ma take you for a LAP just for the fuck of it.

Hey, Rode!

Rode your ass!

I am not sure i understand your humor, hub. i'm going to suggest taking your incoherent nonsense somewhere else. if you have something to say, say it. try adding some plain English and a little punctuation, and maybe i can understand what the hell your saying. i'm here to discuss motorcycles and concerns i have about mine.

rally mine has never overheated but did run high on the temp bar. i cant exactly say which mod i did got it running cooler but after installing the ct dual exhaust and switching coolant to engine ice it rarely hits 4 bars now even sitting in traffic for an hr last summer(90 degrees)it stayed at 3 bars with an occasional flicker of the 4th bar. highly recomend the engine ice

Fuel mix is pretty important in "adjusting" the heating characteristics.Yours is a 2010...sweet bike BTW.Factory settings (mapping) is probably the best it's gonna be.They know what they're doing over there in Japan.Aftermarket pipes are gonna need a remap most likely.Mine did...and the temps dropped.The Concours comes with TWO fans stock.Maybe you could get a Concours fan,install it in there.The two radiators "appear" to be virtually the same.I think I would go that route IF mine was heating up excessively.Mine doesn't...not here anyway.I don't really know if higher bar readings are necessarily a bad thing.These are big engines and they're surrounded by reflective plastic and such.It's all controlled by the readings of various sensors going to the ECU.It aint a simple carbureted engine.There is an optimum temp zone.

If you look at your service manual...the different models for "different" markets...there are several changes in torque output,hp.That stuff.The mapping is also set for different locations as well.Air temps and humidity are not the same everywhere.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 5/15/2011 @ 11:50 AM *

I am not sure i understand your humor, hub.

I do not mince my words. What you read is what you read. Absolutes will sail right in your face so help me stick with the tech. I'm not the drunk one.

Dis website receives the same tech at any other place I sign onto. You no like how I pee scent the tech, smell ya later. How you like being told you are a drunk motherfucker, get the FUCOUToo BAD to you on that sally.

You need to settle down I be cooking this place a boiling. Raggedge your assore knot you up so you understand a-N.

a-N means Another Nincompoop about toe learn his lesson. If you think I can't she you coming for a sloppy LaP'Ping!
Chew got another ding-ding coming...

Hangone, You ain't gonna like you keep making demandson on the one of them dare cal key trance IS!

I live in SE Texas where 95 deg plus is common in the Summer. My bike does not over heat. Most of my riding is on two lane country roads. I avoid city traffic like the plague. I feel some of the heat from the bike in hot weather, like you do, but it doesn't bother me too much.

I doubt you can avoid engine heat AND get the engine to run cooler. You can't get both, it's the same heat.

LAP'Pee'he-didhe-did = Hey, rally... Really? Well, you rodent so well. Fill in your own fucking commas then!

Rode over your brains. Listen UP is why you get passedup.

"I got caught in traffic. I think I'll shit here and watch my bars climbo traffic moved she is back to 2-bar." Now, you she me heading to the next bar and I have to go out as if I'd be drunk or high being in my position is high ya do inn?

"I got some mean heat to make HP and now I'ma take that away and cry I have no HP ass rated."

I'ma not gonna look stu PIT when I tell you I need a pit crew and if you think I need one atall is a tall odor ass you can see bye the dawnsqarely right between the eyes you wouldeer eye me and agree you can keep up wit dishit.

No he wouldn't.
Yes he would.
The fuck cares?
Shoe fits. Fitoe print: Dish DIS is for you Japan. A roundeye questions the absolute you toot out the backdoor:

"Eye sea wear was eye, oh yeah, roundoubt now, it's been 1999 all over again traction. I need to fuck this bike all uputhis on and that on. Hey! Why is my pile of shit getting beat on the rack all stock? I boughthe besthe guess can bing a ding-ding out the pipe. Let me video that soundslow you can bye mine I'm going back to stocket up my ass I shoulda used those pipe bends for a rain gutter needing work."

"OH! WATTs Dis WIRE?"

ASSiv I never left 1999 a clue of a less is more I assplane as plain as day... Nope. Ain't gonna happen. I read it on a plane heading to englanday have the same pro blame ho that is too funny!

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/15/2011 @ 1:27 PM *

has anyone else dealt with their bike over heating? i have only had the dash start flashing at me on two occasions. in both situations, i was able to get the bike back to operating speed in a few minutes and it immediately started to cool.

My '08 pegged the gauge, but never flashed. The zx14 runs hot... '08-'11's even more so than the '06-'07's. I believe this is due to the '08-'11's having an additional cat, in the header, and leaner factory mapping.

1) different coolant. i like this idea for lots of reasons. most alternatives are "green" where as the green coolant, is, well, not so green (toxic). my hippy friends have a little influence on me now and again, so this seams like a good reason to change out the crap in there anyway. also, i have heard that the alternatives run cooler anyway, and are less corrosive altogether. i have read most of the same stuff anyone else can read, so i am looking for anyone with experience and working knowledge of this stuff. and if you REALLY REALLY like your favorite product, i know some of you do, tell me why its different then the other products.

I'm running Engine Ice in my bike. Can't speak as to what it will do for you on it's own, but the combo of Engine Ice, a full exhaust system, and a 10r front fender dropped operating temps 2-3 bars. I'm currently seeing a consistant 2 bars when in motion. If stopped for 30 seconds plus, my gauge will hit 4 bars before the fan kicks on... which, so far, has done a good job of holding it there. Won't be at all surprised, though, if I start seeing 5 bars when summer finally gets here.

2) exhaust wrap. i think that by cooling the area just behind the radiator, i will be able to reduce the heat transfered to the radiator, particularly when i am stuck in traffic, (or traveling under, say, 35mph for extended periods of time.) the only down side i have heard about this is it can accelerate rust on the headers. but i don't know if this would truly be an issue for me, as my bike does not often sit for more then 7 days before being ridden. (even during the rainy season.) again, aside from speculation and reading the same stuff i have read, does anyone have experience with this, or maybe some other avenues to consider?

I've never used the stuff. I'd be concerned with it actually holding too much heat in, however, rather than letting it dissipate... but like I said, never used it, so I really don't know.

3) the last idea seams far fetched to some. but having a free flowing exhaust can, in theory, reduce the temps in the headers since the gases are not staying in the system as long. this is not something i have read about,its something i have pondered myself and i am interested in hearing your thoughts on this theory.

I don't think this is far fetched at all... get rid of the catalytic converters, and your bike will run much cooler.

4) how often? i have 25,000 miles on the bike and its almost 2 years old. i won't feel bad changing some of the fluids at this point.

It will cost you about $15 to replace the coolant with fresh factory stuff or $50 if you wanna try Engine Ice... Might as well change it yearly... overkill, but why not?

i have noticed a bit of heat soak in my own genital areas.

Rally round the flagpole, I've been laughing none stop today. Finished washing the dishes; spray the window @ 2:56p
Slammeda shit out of another website that took a computer bike an can't get it running. I've been boat drilling his cheap brother to buy a boat cause and effect he now owns a boat anchor and won't need to buy that assy.

Rally thinks it takes a drunk to fin gear out no matter how many fuckedup maps yo cry for; No matter how many shots of liquid you toss down the neck of that radiator; no head gasket how-to it blew my water table out; all the fucked up pipes that cool and drool at that bar.

I don't know watthe fuck you want from me. I began to laugh all over again ass I look backackakakaka at the years/fuffy/1bad's boostershot/all the corn mods I want less pleat more mm micronscoring shotsaadat barrel; How can you not laughat you, with you, about you, not the bike!

It's not the bike at all! That's the JOKE!

YOu bunch of ear-Gin-ears LOL wit a Twist!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s58/wazfst1tyme/aNcORE.jpg Dis gust'INNoshit!

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/15/2011 @ 4:17 PM *

DUST Guess ING?

Fucking Rub BEER Rooms!

WADowee Want?

Big EAR Doors!

Chek the cough fee stains... Dust chewanna go back an look?

im thinking i will do the engine ice. sounds like thats the one several of you have used and no one is complaining. good.

also sounds like pipes and a power commander might be slated for sooner then anticipated. i am not looking for more power on this thing, really. but i suppose it doesn't hurt my passing ability on some two lane blacktop. haha

i appreciate the feedback guys. its mostly what i expected, but its nice to hear actual experience from other people.

Just got my '10 ZX14, yesterday was my most extensive ride. I was burning up...lol Thanks for this post. I will be looking into the engine ice and a second fan.

Rallyrodent, in addition to the second fan, I also had my header ceramic coated. I did this instead of the wrap. The coating keeps the heat in the pipe and not radiating through it. Also, like the free flowing exhaust, hot air wants to move to cold air. This is a job for the off season though.

Second fan, I just wired it in parallel with the stock. Both come on when the sensor calls for it and works great. I'm never above 3 bars on the scale when I used to be at 4.

Good luck.

redtrace: i had considered this too. i have gone so far as to consider purchasing a header from ebay, having it coated and selling the old header in the same fashion. ( i don't have an off season where i live. ) are you running stock exhaust then? also, can you tell a difference in sound? are the coated headers quieter? (obvisouly this would be a moot point if you have A/M pipes.

My exhaust is stock. I am running Engine Ice and a second fan. I have removed the engine blanket. My bike is not running appreciably cooler this year than it did last year. I do notice however, that I am not getting cooked as badly in the saddle, but then again we haven't had any 80 degree days here yet this year. But my point is, I'm not sold on the extra cooling effects of Engine Ice ATM. I think it's great for it's neutral effect on the environment and if I get it on the floor I don't have to worry about the shop cat lapping it up. It's also great if you happen to want to do track days. But as far as the bike actually showing a change in the guage that could be attributed to the E Ice, no way. It still warms up to five bars quick as hell, and (now) both the fans kick in all the time like before if I sit too long like at a red light or leave the key on after shutting down the engine. I am a proponent for freer flowing exhausts without the cat in order to keep the bike cooler running. But then again, the bike will always get as warm as the thermostat allows. I think removing the blanket was a great boon to my comfort as well contrary to what people say. Will I buy E Ice again? Prolly not.

Say, I don't wanna bring up sheinnpull pimple science, if you can bendover, I can get that pimple from here. I have a 25ft. snake for plumbage oreyefist entry. She if I can wire up a light bulb, leave the ladder; just in case it takes how many to turn the ladder to get the bulb inn? Somehow it's [I knoWATT you mean]; a waste of electricity.

Say we were in our bedroom sleeping with our bikes. I wake up, tickle her fob to start up her day. You're now off into some abyss thingking how is that gas getting out of that room hope he stays in there but wait...

... You again, misseda call of the wildchildinner's calling! Take a wild guess we have room temp is everything. Everything in the room is room temp to the touch. Say yes or say no, pick one. It is your abyss of an answer you get it wrong is on youradiator cap (dense not dunce).

So, have we established both bikes are now outside in that temp; call the degree/sell sea us. See if I can sell this sea of a variable; one concept at a time. If the bare foulval cover is at RT. Fit to finish that beauty off I'll never touch my next one... Lose all that HP off the RT.

Did any water bar change my bar and [did] your bar read the exact same under that capeeroom-temp? I still have heat coming off my legs as if we are in the same room, same street temp, give or take a water color [IS] gonna help. If ZI were to engineer a tiny bit of HP, I'd be all over that water table number, dialing that in too.

Vacuum sealeda nut dare one.

Hub i guess you weren't just being a douche on my post your pretty much a douche everywhere. This is why there is no activity on this forum I vote BAN DOUCHEHUB

But I'm not happy with the heat of this thing either I'm wiring in a 7in fan this week and changing to a 75/25 mix of water and antifreeze to see if it will drop a bar or so.