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Thread: Engine Failures

Created on: 12/29/14 10:43 AM

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Badzx14r


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RE: Engine Failures
01/01/15 3:10 PM

That answer is a Easy one. Bike was broke in same way Kawi does it the second she comes off assembly line. Warm up and wide open on the Dyno. Record numbers, test complete, bike goes in crate ready for sale. There is a video on youtube showing this but I can't find it.

theres video's of cops speeding down the highway also . but again the question is can you speed down the highway like the police? its on video after all. I can tell you what that Rep will say to your response "Kawasaki wrote a Owners Manual for you to perform your break in " warrant claim void have a nice day .

ps depending how fast you was speeding this would turn out 1 of 3 ways or worst . freedom ,ticket, jail.



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RE: Engine Failures
01/01/15 3:56 PM

He's a salesmen and only stupid people buy his overpriced products.



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RE: Engine Failures
01/01/15 6:33 PM

^^
It hurts my feelings bad when you get to post things I feel, but refrain from posting. Your a bad bad man. That's why I love u. On the other hand Hag is my boy and I want to impale my foot in your ass when you call him names.

Cease fire boys.

Happy new year.

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RE: Engine Failures
01/01/15 10:44 PM

He's a salesmen and only stupid people buy his overpriced products. You fukkin stupid cunt

"You fukkin stupid cunt" is a new one. Fucking stupid cunt has a better ring to it ?

I can tell you what that Rep will say to your response "Kawasaki wrote a Owners Manual for you to perform your break in " warrant claim void have a nice day

Well now I have my official answer. No point staying awake at night losing sleep over it. Thank You.

Curious, would You also happen to know what they might say about the big ass 475hp Turbo hanging behind the front wheel ? I was thinking they may not notice and I could slide in the Free Engine rebuild when she pops. You know, maybe pull one over on them. I'm sneaky like that.

theres video's of cops speeding down the highway also . but again the question is can you speed down the highway like the police? its on video after all.

I saw a Dinosaur try to Eat a jeep once. That shit looked real to me ? I suppose it could be fake. Who knew ? Sad Now, boooo.

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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 1:46 AM

go to 3:40



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 7:18 AM

Curious, would You also happen to know what they might say about the big ass 475hp Turbo hanging behind the front wheel ? I was thinking they may not notice and I could slide in the Free Engine rebuild when she pops. You know, maybe pull one over on them. I'm sneaky like that.


the orange and black bike you pictured doesn't have a turbo on it. oh and yes I know what Kawasaki would say to your 475hp turbo bike "you should have bought an H2 it has warranty" thank you have a nice day



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 7:37 AM

Well Done Alg8er, good find. Actually a good one to save. No one ever wants to believe it no matter how times this gets shown.

oh and yes I know what Kawasaki would say to your 475hp turbo bike "you should have bought an H2 it has warranty" thank you have a nice day

Whooo Trump Card lol. Must give you this one. BadZX14R For The Win.


From all the years with these bikes only issues I have ever heard of was wrong colored bearing Mix up from factory.

Second was oil pressure plate of 3 hole design. Which in turn equals oil leaking out between the two bolts farthest apart. There is a claim of a video floating around of a guy who has motor apart pump on oil system showing the plate leaking bad enough oil does not get to where it is needed. I really want to see this but have yet to do so. Click here This oil plate design was unchanged in the new 14R so the issue follows all 14s. If you believe there is a issue of course.

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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 7:40 AM

@ 1000 miles it says it's able to run up to redline. If you tore that engine down, would the babbits and ring gap show a change in clearance within 1000 miles? Hardly, if none at all, right? So the engine is warmed up before the test and I'm trying to see how that clearance is going to cause damage on a dyno run all brand new and the clearances haven't changed in say 5,000 miles. If dyno runs were causing engine damage within the warranty period, wouldn't they stop using the dyno that has caused too many points the finger to one WOT move when fresh off the assembly line?

And now the bar code is gathering 6 gears thru redline, who knows what else they connect to the bike to monitor other things that may show up under warranty. The bike has a running history. For how long?



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 9:07 AM

From all the years with these bikes only issues I have ever heard of was wrong colored bearing Mix up from factory.

Maybe you missed Clean and Ants conversation? They mismatch is that they clamp into a perfect circle. Down the crankshaft I vision no oil pressure. I vision the crank sitting on the lower case side and from end to end, I could rock the crank up and down, have an insert not touching one journal, because the other two colors sit higher or lower say. But when the oil pressure is on, the crank floats in the middle of that clearance. It's an old racing trick is to mismatch inserts and it's still within that circular clearance between said mis-colored inserts.

When not in the saddle the inserts are spread out like an egg almost. They bend to that perfect half circle when installed. Whatever height of the insert determines the tolerance and closes/opens the clearance and you can blueprint the number as per float, yes?

Line bore I would imagine is not a perfect shot down the X-factor. The crank journal is polished and that is the Y-factor. Said another way for the 3-dimentional, look at an object at the desk. 1)Push the object forward and back. 2)Push it left to right. 3)Pick it up and put it down. You just picked up the crank, pushed it to the webbing so the oil has someplace to leave out the insert. You pushed it fore&aft so there is clearance that oil may wrap around inside the circle. You picked it up and once that happens = Oil pressure floats the part.

If just the crank was in the case, the oil pressure floating the crank, you could walk up to it and it will spin something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVj0X6PL5_E



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 10:39 AM

Hub a forum member here bought a rebuilt Engine with mismatched bearings. Leads me to believe this mistake must be a Easy one to make. (Hopefully not to easy). In this case the issue was blamed on many things prior to the teardown. After closer inspection what was found inside was more likely the culprit. Thinking the blow up was always going to happen. Boost of course speeds up the process greatly.

If you watch the video above, explained is how parts are brought to the worker. If the parts worker brings a batch of the wrong color bearings to the installer ??? In the cases we have read here, most of the bikes affected went boom around 3000 miles or so I don't worry.

I have tried my best to blow one of these motors up and can't seem to do it. They are Tough, Very tough. If you received a bad motor odds seem to support you will find out early in her life cycle.

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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 11:28 AM

a forum member here bought a rebuilt Engine with mismatched bearings.

OK, let me get this right. A rebuilder buys a bearing and only one that is not the same as the other half. The rebuilder did not buy bearings, he mismatched both inserts but one journal took a shit.


After closer inspection what was found inside was more likely the culprit.

I'm going to go back and forth with a rod mismatched or a crankcase mismatch. Now don't take offense to this, but did Danno or Vic rebuild this by any chance?



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 4:19 PM

I have tried my best to blow one of these motors up and can't seem to do it.

bring bikes to Texas we will fix that!!!!!!!



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 7:55 PM

bring bikes to Texas we will fix that!!!!!!!

LMAO, My bike alone will make you cry like a little girl lol,,, Well,, maybe that's just me! Yep, scares poop from me. I do cry if no one is looking lol

Now don't take offense to this, but did Danno or Vic rebuild this by any chance?

Not my turn to respond,,,, Pssssst show us the pics. I know u see this ? If you don't want show us ok.

Happy New Year boys !

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Wolfman



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 9:26 PM

Have you boys ever sat back and thought that all this keyboard warrior measuring and waring is a just a bunch of crapola.

Warrior One: My bike is so fast, I'm gonna eat you, rah rah, blah blah! (Oopse forgot to tidy my sock drawer and run the vaccume).

Warrior Two: I'm gonna smoke you when you come to my house, bhaaaah bahhh! (shoot forgot to take my prostate supplement before beddiboo).

Boys who we kidding...

Sure we are all ardent hooligan fools, but this dreamland chest puffin crap is just a delicious navel gazing bullsnap!


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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 9:44 PM

Have you boys ever sat back and thought

No, purpose built bike will always be faster. Is it a big deal, No , more of a who who cares. I Don't, bike is a Toy only. Take it away from me I will find a new toy that burns gas.

Boys who we kidding...

No one. why even try ? why even care ? takes the fun out of it.

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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 9:51 PM

Not one puff of smoke when each takes a handful. This bike should be called 'Life Cycle.'

Who is looking at what? 'I know you see this so if you don't want to show us no biggie?' An engine build is just that. I've seen it, done it, it's just one more component that schools you.

What was the final outcome of the cause?



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RE: Engine Failures
01/02/15 11:19 PM

Have you boys ever sat back and thought that all this keyboard warrior measuring and waring is a just a bunch of crapola.

Wolfy, you may be missing a forever trend? It's not only here. Lets take a ride in the wayback machine. You have a guy down the street starts building a 2-seat sand buggy. Flies down the street with a trick 4-seater and I forget the name of the buick engine with the straight up heads, but it was impressive when I think back about those sand-rail rigs. Why bring this up? He sort of told me in a round about way of the one thing that keeps ringing our bell to this day.

You then connect the dots and find it's the same way on the lake. It's the same mindset with slick hull designs to dual engines: out pulling each other and then come home, build a faster boat before next time out. Imagine that kind of never ending [money] game going on. That's what I saw was how that guy down the street had to compete year after year with other rigs showing up to out do him. So sand dunes and lake boat wars.

Keep applying that measuring tool we see how the factories measure their product against the others. How is that for some crapola? I can see it here. Custom paint, polish this, lighten wheels that, beat this ET and... If I stand back and have a look at rig/boat/bike... They eat from the same feedbag, right?

So do you see how that prop fits the symbolicody I pee scent on video? Make sense you look at it that way. Besides, here is where I imagine some of the 14 rides on here are their age. I'm as grandpa guilty trouser testings as these old fools.



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Wolfman



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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 1:40 AM

^^
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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 8:42 AM

Well clearly the answer is for Hub to do all of your engine work. Apparently if Hub did the work, you'd never blow another motor. Turbo and nitrous it'll run for 200k miles WOT no problem. And here I thought purpose built racing engines were ticking time bombs, nope, it just turns out Hub isn't the builder of all of them.

You know how I know? Cause he's got his way back goggles and has seen videos of sand rails and boats before and his meat puppet. That's all the proof he needs, but wait... there's more. And he's got a video of him accelerating to like 10k rpm and 100 mph, he called it a "speed test". You other guys don't even know what a "speed test" is or how to do one or the purpose. All your pics of 212 mph this, 207 mph that, 8.92 second time slips, and 475 hp dyno sheets... all meaningless! Hey, I've also seen pics of all his piggys. Believe me it's such a goddam rats nest there's no doubt in my mind it only makes sense to him and his meat puppet.

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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 9:24 AM

That prop is for guys like you, Vic. I can see your aptitude towards a simple hose end. It's the same as saying you took apart the petcock and those painted screws to get the hose off, and all you had to do was pull the hose off the nipple end. A painted screw basically means do not tamper with. Same mark on the sensors like the TPS and subthrottle sensors and that paint. Those have hose ends but are called connector clips. So you removed the painted screws, took off the spring loaded sensor and left the clip on. I'm just saying, Vic, that looks like a novice mistake one after the other.

No shit you need to stepay way from the bike. [KAK: how to look for someone that knows what they are doing is >] Find a mechanic that has a record of years of no combacks and when they do come back it's the owner's fault trying to apply the mechanic's work against a new problem. See that difference between bullet and proof the amateur is his own enemy?

So Vic, here is grease on the pads and now screws removed that should remain permanent. You read between the lines or listen to the 'net novices?'

I think I'll read between the lines so bullet keeps proofing.



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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 10:13 AM

LOL Hub I was just having some fun.

As far as why that bolt was painted, I know why it was painted. Where you got your "information"...LOL.

(added quotes to information because..."information" is much more appropriate)


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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 11:16 AM

Vic, Dis is for Jimmy crack corn and I don't care...



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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 11:46 AM

"Where you got your "information"...LOL."

[QUOTE=griz]Gotta hand it to Sven. Not many can add humor and confusion to technical jargon. He even gets the point across....... for some?!.......maybe for others.....and a bit more often for me? But you gotta think about it for awhile.:roll::roll::roll:[QUOTE]

The chopper guys are laughing it up and I tired to get booted off there. And they would have called me out if you tech'dare and gave that BS a try over there. Now, what is with you at some other kawi forum and Jimmy cracked a joke about that? Or was that Drain Pan?

So you know what that looks like to me? Perpetuating a myth upon the youth is you toofless petcocks playing with your hoses! LOL



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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 12:47 PM

Hub so you're saying what your best at is speaking Hubese. I agree entirely! Cause you're mechanical record is about 50/50 just like the rest of us.

And remember people, if you run across a painted bolt you're not allowed to touch it, well according to Hub and his meat puppet. God forbid you do!

For those of us that can't afford a new motorcycle every time we run across a painted bolt...
I got something that might work for you (not what you're actually supposed to do, according to Hub anyway). Just tighten it back down (to the proper torque) and paint it again! The painted bolt inspectors won't even be able to tell the difference! I know...clever shit!

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RE: Engine Failures
01/03/15 1:19 PM

Vic, this is more for Rook's benny and note the approach to something. Your long way or my short way. You removed one more variable to strip both head and threads, now show me the #2 phillips from sears. LOL



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