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Thread: Will The Empire Strike Back?

Created on: 03/27/13 01:30 PM

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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 1:11 PM

If character means, it may or may not start, or has horrible fueling issues anywhere other than high speed runs, count me out.

That's what turned me off on the MV Augusta F3, I went from lusting after one to hitting the Ignore button every time I saw one. Sublime looks and handling were marred by reports of spotty build quality, dodgy clutch action and horrific fueling. This bike would only make sense if you could get it to a track and then there are a lot of other supersports that would perform as well and you'd feel far less guilty after crashing into the haybales with it. Final nail in the coffin was when, time after time, the F3 came out on the shortend of the stick when compared to the Triumph 675R. That bike has been fine fettled to near perfection over the years so maybe MV can tweek the F3 over time. Judging by what they've been able to do, or not do, with their F4 though, I have my doubts!



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 1:27 PM

BTW--I also get tired of the constant ranking of bikes. Of course the obvious cure to that is to stop reading so many of the damn motorcycle magaines and online blogs. I spend more money at Barnes and Noble on the brilliant British bike mags than I do on tires:) I have a buddy who said he never could fall in love with any bike he had in the garage until he stopped reading them. I think he has a point!:)

There's a lot of truth to that and if I can paraphrase our very own DragKing's immortal words, "This year's new bike is next year's old bike".

Learn to enjoy what you have and live in the moment. I'm finding that my "older" bikes, the 2006 ZX-14 and the 2007 CBR1000RR are just as much of a hoot to ride as they ever were. Yes, some newer tech has come out with frames that are 10% stiffer in torsion and 5 more BHP at xxxxx rpm but who cares? The riding experience is what counts and all of these machines are bloody brilliant in their own right. As long as bike magazines are in business, they'll be heralding the next greatest thing, that's what sells magazines. Think about it, would you be willing to drop $12 of your hard earned coin of the realm on the April addition of FastBikes if they announced on the front cover, "Guess What Folks, There's Nothing New To Report This Month!!!"

They have to either sell the sizzle, or create it, or they don't stay in the publishing business very long. I used to buy Mens Health magazine years ago until I realized that they were just recycling the same old articles over and over again. I mean how many times are they going to tell you to do the same basic exercises that have been around since cavemen roamed the earth before you catch on?

OK rant off....lol!



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 2:56 PM

[quoteThere's a lot of truth to that and if I can paraphrase our very own DragKing's immortal words, "This year's new bike is next year's old bike".

Learn to enjoy what you have and live in the moment. I'm finding that my "older" bikes, the 2006 ZX-14 and the 2007 CBR1000RR are just as much of a hoot to ride as they ever were. Yes, some newer tech has come out with frames that are 10% stiffer in torsion and 5 more BHP at xxxxx rpm but who cares? The riding experience is what counts and all of these machines are bloody brilliant in their own right. As long as bike magazines are in business, they'll be heralding the next greatest thing, that's what sells magazines. Think about it, would you be willing to drop $12 of your hard earned coin of the realm on the April addition of FastBikes if they announced on the front cover, "Guess What Folks, There's Nothing New To Report This Month!!!"

They have to either sell the sizzle, or create it, or they don't stay in the publishing business very long. I used to buy Mens Health magazine years ago until I realized that they were just recycling the same old articles over and over again. I mean how many times are they going to tell you to do the same basic exercises that have been around since cavemen roamed the earth before you catch on?

OK rant off....lol!

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Wow--you still have a way of summing it up Kruz! I love your Fast Bikes comment---priceless!! It's all so true. I honestly think I've had an epiphany from this little exchange today. I'm not buying or reading any of those high dollar British bike mags for 6 months. It's cold turkey for me. I'm gonna live your exact comments and realize just how bloody brilliant these bikes are. DK's comments are SO true...it's, to quote Elvis Costello, all about "This years Model."
I also like my buddies view that you'll never fall seriously in love with what you have as long as you're looking elsewhere. Theres a woman analogy in there somewhere:)
When it's time for something new...it will be evident! Wow I feel better:)



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 2:57 PM

Looks like Wolfman is right there with us!



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 4:21 PM

I also like my buddies view that you'll never fall seriously in love with what you have as long as you're looking elsewhere. Theres a woman analogy in there somewhere:)

Been there and done that a few times, had what, looking back, was a great girl and fell prey to the old "grass is always greener somewhere else" syndrome. You end up not enjoying what's right within your grasp.

I'm sure Wolfman could add something here.

I've cut way back on my expeditions to Barnes and Nobles to drool over all the latest iron. If I'd dropped $18 grand on a new 2012 Beemer I'd be kickin my own backside right about now because of the HP4 release. When you're married, it's OK to look at the menu but always go home with the one that brung ya!

With careful mods, you can keep your present brood current for at least five, maybe six years. Think of all the great times you'll have together, that bonding thing we were talking about, then maybe you can think about trading in......or do like me and get a bigger garage....lol!



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 4:32 PM

mar·ket·ing
/?märkitiNG/
Noun

The science of convincing people to buy things they don't need, with money they don't have, to impress people they don't like.

That definition pretty much sums it up. Jag you've got a heck of a fleet there, all of 'em on the A list, now go enjoy 'em!



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 5:04 PM

The science of convincing people to buy things they don't need, with money they don't have, to impress people they don't like.

Kruz, that is beautiful, truly beautiful, novel worthy actually...

I might add to impress people they know and don't know...

Never been my philosophy, but yah, I can see it!







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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/04/13 5:47 PM

The Professor strikes again.



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/05/13 6:32 AM

Hubmeister, good to see you back. I started a thread awhile back on owning Italian iron over in the Frozen Foods and Pasta Section. Tell us about your experience with your 2-On-OH, good bad indifferent...do tell.



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/05/13 6:58 AM

One last thing Jag, I've got some bikes that are starting to get well on in age now. My VTX-1300C was an early release '04 purchased in October '03, so coming up on ten years old now. My ZX-14 is rapidly approaching it's seventh birthday in June. There is something totally cool about owning a machine this long and keeping it in pristine condition. I love it when folks walk up and ask "Hey that's sharp, new bike?" or "Is that a 2012?" and there jaw drops when you tell 'em how old they are.

One last thing, more deadly than the latest edition of FastBikes to your checking account is the forum new bike threads. I used to notice this same effect in my old neighborhood, there would be a long stretch when no one purchased a new vehicle, then someone pulls up in a new Cadillac and suddenly everyone in the hood is scrambling to keep up with the Jone's, new cars popping up in everyone's driveway.

There is a feeding frenzy every fall when new bike specs are announced, everyone is talking about going into debt for the latest and greatest, I enjoy the talk but bide my time until the smoke clears ....and the prices drop. I've bought almost everything I own new, one model year old on the floor for big $$$ discounts. Only exception was my '11 ZX-10R which I had to pretty much pay full pop on.

Remember the hype at Jerez when they released the new then, crossplane crank R1 back in 2009? Early reports said that no bike was capable of staying on the same lap with this machine, yada, yada, yada , blah , blah, blah. Look how well that has panned out, turned out to be all smoke and mirrors. A lot of Yamaha guys say the '07-'08 was a better motorcycle, lighter, more powerful and much better looking IMHO for a ton less money. Newer is not always better, I can think of many examples of a bike model taking one step forward and two steps back, increased weight, peakier power delivery, fueling issues, the list goes on.

I'd be looking at slowly massaging your current fleet into perfection, working on the rough edges until you two are one on a winding road. Then keep the darned thing and buy something new in two or three years when significant changes come out but I gaurantee you will go back to the old machine and enjoy it every bit as much.

Just my .02 sorry for the long winded discourse here.



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/05/13 9:28 AM

Well, as I was pushing the shopping cart or wallet down the isles, I had to, just had to stop at the frozen food section. I saw the mixed veggie package cuts of carrots, peas, other veggie selections from here and there.

I picked up the package, turned it over to read the info. Whoever wrote that article about the Tuono was right in every way was every sentence. As close as I could compare the cuts from say a box of snow peas, there was a little aussie cut from Rotax. Maybe some American kind of computer fan wire connectors you see used for the hardware in the computer tower. Those were some of the frozen parts added that are not fresh from the same farm.

So grower wise, you have this small cottage industry of bikes that seem to be somewhat exotic are their pedals, their flower buds, 'their leave' of the traffic light [fandango]. The way they taste. The MV, the Duc, Ape, Motogoosea, who else did I leave out of the package?

Of course you bring the package home, pour the content out all over the road. Picup what you want and don't want off the bike. The preparation of the product begins to shine a little light on what you bought against fresh off the vine. Plucked from many farms and here you go kind of parts package.

As you warm the content so carefully is the break in, or say the very first few miles it takes to understand what the content tastes like when fully prepared. You can sure taste the difference between a Seimens and a Mikuni brand. One package is scratching their head wondering why the home grown is not up to snuff with the dash or the dials on the oven? A wok ain't gonna make it anymore is watt you are saying?

She sends you a little burp the sync is not on the money with a 3 or 4 thousand dollar manometer call it. So exotic is the handcuffing of the ECU, do you run over to the next isle to buy that package to compliment the other package? Or do you handcuff yourself to the dealer door each time you make a mod?

Don't you dare add any more salt to the wound. I meant, do I have to buy a set of 'recommended' pipes or slips, run down to the dealer to have him go inside the software, toggle "Map2" is the lingo in the ape forums. I have no clue about a duc's quack, you go looking under the feathers to see how it pisses?

At least when you hack this bike, the dash pod keeps all the data up. The 14 will clear the board [I shoulda never told use the loophole] they read the 14 sites when it first came out. Don't matter. My mouth has been shut I loopholed another one.

Anyway, she is so exotic... how exotic is empire losing strength?... she'll tell you what winker went out, she has those 4 parameters covered letting you know. I've been rotating my same old set(s) of Honda winkers on and off bikes since the '80's probably. Here I thought it was my wire integrity, never chased the obvious was the bulb. I'm sure that Seimens has covered the stop/running/headlights if those went out too.

So exotic, you toggle up a trackday lap timer. I broke the bike in as per by setting the rpm limit. Shift too high an rpm, the red light blinks fast to get out, you are over limit. Program wise, yes, this is where the big4 need help and are behind big time or behind the 8Ball. And when you hire (steal away) Italian computer engineers for your gp racing pit, need I say more?

Comfort zone? She has no padding but more a race pad with a touch of padding. Nothing like the 14's seat. Same miles traveled, call it assburn, I have to get off the 14 and stretch or am done for the day. The ape? Where we headed? Fits me like a glove better than the 14. Maybe being a sitter upper. Naaaaaa, the seat height is there to peg to flavor to comfort. Another problem is that 14's comfort zone. The old farts will tell you. And for sure, this is an old fart's bike. Yes fast, but never fast enough. Go ass them, they'll tell you.

And that Seimens is so sensitive you start the bike wrong. The Mikuni works like a light switch. So bulletproof each time. The exotic is a nightmare you see it pegged at a 3,000 rpm is normal idle: until you key cycle it. And then it sometimes hangs, sometimes not. Maybe because it wants that 02 to warm up and I doubt it, because you have to catch the way I leave with a dead cold engine. Sometimes it won't, sometimes it will, meaning, I am more consistent at the same 'start it and leave.' Not, sit and warm for 5 minutes. I creep in that slow rpm, where I'm leaving the neighborhood is the warmup. Gutted pipe is the one side.

The transmission? Miss and it falls out like any other trans. Upshifting that Tuono has more of a close ratio racing box. Not really a true CR, maybe more like, you have 2 gears left if say you were doing the national speed limit. 4th is one smooth running twin. 5th and you bring rpm down, she begins vibration up. And that is where you don't want to be, so you are in a buzz sort of rpm, but so smooth meaning. And shifting up without clutch, you'll never miss you concentrate on the job. Same job with the 14 is 4th is vulnerable no matter WOT, meaning, your best day.

The performance? You are more frozen in time next to a cager. I love that line here someone wrote. Where I'll paraphrase his, 'duc had nowhere near the drive out of a corner like a 14.' I had some guy's tail end showing how we were even on brakes for that turn, but the drive, plus the downhill left that guy up there. And here I was about to exotic another round with a duc. Until the guy told me the ape was the faster bike. Last thing I want to do is step down in performance with a cager next to you? You've gotta be insane I buy a duc just for that reason. Yep, a 14 will spoil you rotten you jump on any other bike.

The handling? How can you compare Japanese handling to exotic handling? You can't. I've dwarfed a T-140 and a brit bike is cottage road handling. The GS and that german junk pile don't get me started, had the exotic handling. The ape is one more exotic handler. All different in their own way. I remembered [long ago] someone let me ride a Paso. Did I Lean Knee that marquee over enough to know it had the strangest exotic move of them all? The ride was so short, the exotic price I was on, I had to hold the Renzo down, so I turned around, turned the throttle so low, so as not to bring back a wad to him, inside or out. It was more a set and point kind of feel. A fast flop over kind of rake to trail. Straight up confidence, wad in your pants lean it over and commit boy! So no, nowhere near is the ape a duc stylexotic. Nothing funny handling wise like a duc. Chicken strip front tire. Not a sign of one on the back. I wish I could find that Tuono writeup I read.

The dependability? I think I'm close to 5k on the mileage. Short of the hack symbol that needs a factory clear, I don't care how dependable the bikes are. They wanna play hardball, we can get the universal download handhelds they have for cars for 30 bucks. Flash your own shit, meaning. Change your own fed compliant map2, your compliant aftermarket pipe anshit. Handcuffing at every corner! Where as you cannot create or destroy those 3 amigosolidquidgas.

The real deal. If someone brought to your door fresh from the farm or frozen... WATT?WOT would you choose



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/05/13 2:01 PM

Motorcycles have become like quantum particles-the closer one comes to being perfect for one job, the farther away it is for being good for anything else. A motorcycle used to be just a motorcycle. Now you have dirtbikes, streetbikes, tourers, sport-tourers, nakeds, ADV poser-bikes, cruisers, power cruisers yadda, yadda, yadda.

I would like to have one of everything ever made, ut who can afford that outside Jay Leno, Tom Cruise and brad Pitt?

The Japanese have mostly taken the tack of non-head-to-head competition with each other and constantly inventing different pies instead of fighting over the limited slices of one pie. There is no top-dog, end-all, be-all uberbike, only many different machines that top an ever-increasing number of categories.

But they definitely lost me at 500-lb. dirtbikes.

Not to mention 800-lb cruisers.

And that Triumph Rocket III? What the hell is that all about?



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/05/13 2:17 PM

And that Triumph Rocket III? What the hell is that all about?

For those that love the cruiser and want to muscle other bikes out of the way and for those who want to brag about their cruiser as part of the 6 cylinder club. An eliete few men, that want the cruiser look, but also want a jet.
As I know a few of these pilots personally, that would be my best understanding of their architypical make up.
But...who knows.

You'd need a mini crane for that mad bastard. They look mean, mean and mean...perhaps fit for a giant.

Hub, you make me hungry and your article satisfies my appetite! Danno, you hit it on the head!
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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/05/13 6:59 PM

Good write up Hubster, snow peas and all. Now how about another comparo, you're old 14 to your new 14R, bare knuckles, no holds barred?


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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 4:10 AM

Stir that pot Mr. Kruz, stir it up!
I am curious too, I did not ride the 06-11 series zx, there can't be that big of a difference?
Essentially its the same bike with some electronic goodies and a raked out frame, no?
The Hub will know, what about you Kruz, you have experience with the previous models?







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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 6:58 AM

I have the '06 Wolfman, ordered it in May '06 and took delivery in June of that year so I was one of the original forum members way back when we had the old site. Hub was already there when I arrived. Anyway she's fast approaching her 7th birthday and I have no intention of trading her off for a new one. Makes no sense, for me the package cannot be improved on. Hub has had an '06, '08 and now a '12. If anyone will give you the straight skinny on the perceived differences it's going to be the HubMeister.



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 7:34 AM

Kruz, I can't see that there would be a difference. Origianl 06 eh, I remember when she came out, man was that a cool bike. I had just aquired my R1 a magnificently uncomfortable ride. There was a guy in Barrie who had the ZX 06 and he pulled up at the shop where I bought my Yamaha. I was instantly taken by it and thought I must have one, one day! I thought when I'm older with some loot, I will invest. Well I'm older, with no loot, but I did invest. I'll wait to hear from Hub maaster and see what he say's but like you said, it's hard to improve on the platform, it was, is a terrific bike.

PS there is a hot 25 year old at my work, who saw me pull up on her (The ZX). She is emailing me about rides and keeps making passes. I am avoiding that scene, but I got to tell you man, it's not me, it's the bike. Why did I not know this before marriage and two kids...

PSS I am not going to give her ride, cause one ride always leads to another...

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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 7:35 AM

Link to my bike pics:

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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 7:37 AM

The link,
I have no access dude...
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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 9:06 AM

This is going to be hard. I have yet to send the bike thru any hack. There is not enough seat-time to compare. What little changes I've picked up were...

Idle/Starting:
R ~ Probably what I feared most I now more appreciate or love to see it in action. This is the R's return to idle [map?]. There is a combination that happens. I think the gps has a lot to do with it. I was trying to get Ivan to explain watt might happen if the tre was applied to either wire? That's if he racked an R to find out? See what happens is that the idle changes once you run the box back to 1st gear. It just settles out, you can hear it drop and nails the idle number as per book idle. The starting kicks it in faster no matter the temp of the bike. That is a big deal on the FI tuning setup. And when you are hunting that idle on the 14, the R's magic is to reset the idle as if you had a very accurate tach to hand dial it back in all the time.

Transmission/Shifting:
14 ~ I'd trade your 14 clutch basket for the R's.
R ~ I always somehow find my fingers rearing up on the wheel hop idea.
14 ~ To shift that bike was like you could hear the change 'puff,' as in nothing but a gear dog into a slot was not even felt, let alone the lever wanting to back out before you do.
R ~ Is for rottweiler the dog was king of the leave in 6th gear is no longer king.
14 ~ Holds that record for you could not tell what gear you were in until that slow leave was clogging your cogging as it were. So yes, with the R, you'll know right quick you are not in 1st gear. Better chase it fast from a dead stop.
R ~ Is not like the best clutch to trans to tire to road the 14 had. Because that was so transitionally smooth, meaning, at idle, not one rpm would drop or you pull lever in and out to gain rpm like the R. I'll miss that. The R wants more 'r, so I'm thinking a few gear changes inside? the sprocket being a 42 and you would thing that would give you the front sprocket change to the back is at least 2 right there, but no can do like the 14 does.

Engine:
R ~ There is, has to be a different note to the engine. You figure a rod change, the hang time to come around is longer than the hang time for the 14. Since I've removed the intake snorkels since day one on the 3 bikes, I sort of have that air cleaner setup as a constant. So yes, there is a different note or sound to the intake. This to me sounds like a deep, low gurgle sound. Different.
14 ~ The intake sound of this one would be more like a fan jet engine. Little noise, linear in sound, more like a whoosh, a quiet, but sharp ring to it.
R ~ That raspy throaty sound comes on harder the higher the rpm. See, I haven't yet heard the sound of the R in full song. I'm just saying it sounds more intimidating the more you wick it up. Gives me goosebumps I have yet to sync the bodies to hear its new sound.
14 ~ Probably the smoothest engine so far. I'd like to trade that in for the R. I pulled the screen off, but still, the buzz more like moved up the bars rather than making a cleaner effect to get rid of it.
R ~ The only way I'll put the R at the head of the class is sync her, then see what happens? Because for now, this is no 14 like a 14 could be. What did I give up? Just a tiny bit more power? You know they are not going to give you a huge chunk. What would they sell next year is oh by the way, we popped in 1 more hp just in case someone wants to mess with mother teapot. So say you figure you're not going to get much for the swap/upgrade/etc.

Of course you are going to have a 1441 vs 1352 change. The 14 is a book 114-tq, where the R is book rated at 120-tq. So yes, you do notice the change. You do notice the pitch change, yes, you do notice that slight linear change. But liner still. It's more like a layer over. Not gobs of torque you could pinpoint, meaning, they sent a lot more torque to come here and nothing there. No. I mean it remains a liner feel. Just as the 14 would. Just blindfold yourself and add a few ponies like change the pipe out.

Handling:
They had engine teams scrambling for the rod change, and the monocoquers at the front end and the swing arm, the EE's at the switches. Sort of one big scrambled egg, you keep adding the body stylist. Notice I strip off the stylists and delve into the EE's work. I'm after the engine management and that rolling computer chair you sit on and steer: now that is a change to talk about.
R ~ I have no clue? She is just different I can't decipher what/where/how that puppy changedramatically.
14 ~ If you will, she sort of locks up in 'neutral.' That sort of seat time on the 14 gave back a here ya go helper hinge kind of feel. In other words, you had to yank it down, let it happen she's 'so smoothru the arch.' And as you come up, she 'snaps up to neutral.' You tell me if that's not the case with the 14.
R ~ You kidding me? Wee-wee have here something new. I'm either pissing in my pants how it points I can't wait, or pissed in me pants. I'm chomping at the bits to honker this in the canyon all broken in. They may have found something thru that research, because this slight move, changed its whole makeup. I can't put my finger on it. Power steering? Neutral is gone? Twitch me a head shake and where did that go? Why were you not on the first frame design? Would I choose the N for it's situp ability, or the R's ability to: someone could probably explain it better than me, because I am lost for words on this one.

I believe the shit stirrer started another one, Wolfy.



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 10:13 AM

The Kruzman, shit stirrer, did ask a delightful question, but Hub, your analysis has put my questions to bed. Hubman it's a delight to read through your comparison. It humbles me, yet stimulates me to know that the R is in fact several steps beyond just that R lable designation. I'll be looking for the high RPM song note as soon as I am cleared to ride by my doc!

I wonder if the designers at Kawi are going to introduce something special for 2014?

Either way, my next bike is a set of motocross bikes, one for my son, and one for his aging ole' man.

Maybe Kruz will invite me up to ride some of his steads, or maybe JR will let me have a ride on some of his bike porn machines. The future looks good...

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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/06/13 7:41 PM

“The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn’t any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it is right. If it disturbs you it’s wrong, until either the motorcycle or the mind is changed.” Robert M Prisig –Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance…







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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/07/13 7:31 PM

Good write up Hub. Wolf you nailed it, if the machine synchs your throttle bodies it 's the right one for you, if not....try again. My 14 hits all the right chords, only complaint, where is all the oil going?

Hub, I haven't noticed the neutral in the 14 handling, in fact I never understood any of the complaints about how the 14 lays over into a corner and I'm comparing to some of the best handling liters and supersports in their class. Suspenders are soft I will give you that but I forget I'm dancing with a big girl until the pegs touch start to drag.


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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/07/13 7:37 PM

Wolfman, my link no workee? That's weird, I just clicked on it and opened the page. I posted it from my iPhone, maybe that's the problem.



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RE: Will The Empire Strike Back?
04/07/13 8:15 PM

I'm going to say the dumbclucks fuekdup is why the frame change. Check the 0.09 second mark, watch how the bike snaps up to attention in N-eutral. N that is called neutral steering. The big snap back up it centers itself. This puppy is centerless now. I wanna smack their in-house test riders for calling this shot. Not that it's bad.

I wax that rail soon, we shall see how fast she snaps back up? Which I doubt it.

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