bg wrote:

A few minutes in any direction, and I'm out on a mountain road with almost no traffic. I would not want to ride at all where you were riding in that video. Do you have opportunities to get "out of town" and on some good clear roads from time to time?

Thanks for the comments , bg. I must have been posting the same time as you because I did not see the first post until now when I was reading over everything. Glad your son is okay. Tough luck on that turn but he's lucky to have a dad like you.

--Yeah, I can make a 40 minute drive West of here or north and we have some wonderful twisties. The glaciers carved out some great drumlins and moraines and the roads that were constructed there include every kind of turn you could want---along with some mile straightaways. I enjoyed those. I just got careless and did a high speed stint in a stupid area9 and 100 don't feel all that high speed to me anymore). Not to say there are any smart high speed areas. I didn't expect that this road trap was a risk at all. I feel I could get busted anywhere now and I'm not going to let take that chance anymore. That sunset bridge crossing was the most exhilarating thing I ever did on a motorcycle. You can't get the full effect from the vid... 12 stories off the ground at least --110 mph corner on a decending grade--as long as there were no cars. Don't think I'll be trying that again.

One other thing, bg....i could post up some footage from this last little trip but that would be completely asinine of me. Just say, I broke my old record. Not in much of a mood to jump up and down about that now.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/30/2010 @ 5:55 PM *

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Just food for thought Rook but I mentioned here in Alberta a policeman has to estimate your speed before he can measure your speed with the laser or radar.... so here I converted the distance on your ticket to Metres and it comes to 625 metres that is more than half a km.... so to estimate the speed of a car at that distance is shocking, let alone a motorcycle which is much smaller... and he wud have had to have estimated your speed prior to the distance reading on the ticket as he wud have to do that first... so how much ground did u cover in the time he estimated your speed to the time he pulled the trigger... hmmmmm I don't think that he wud be able to accurately estimate your speed at that distance... here in our courts that wud be "unreasonable"!!!

Just givin u some arguments that cud be agued in court!! It is very hard to laser a vehicle at 625M or 2085ft away let alone a motorcycle!!

Thanks, Fuzz. I'll remember that and I'll bring it up to the atty. If I go to court, I don't want to get out of paying my fine. I'll pay more---I don't care-- i just want it to be over and have life go back top a normal pace again(shit allF&%$%ing-A life was actually going quite smooth and I had to go and stir shit up---------)

I like your argument however, I was probably doing the 100 mph most of the distance. I was maybe 300 feet from the bridge before I started to slow down and by that time he had all his caculations and just started after me. I don't think I will try to fight against the offense. He has me. I know I was going too fast and all i can do is ask for leniency.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/30/2010 @ 7:45 PM *

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Rook:

Please let us know how this works out for you. Hoping for the best case scenario... -bg

--Oh--and the 6 point violation, that is something I really don't want to leave on my record if at all possible. If the insurance co sees that, that 6 pointer is up in the DUI catagory. Serious shit.
Cross your fingers for me guys, please. Say a prayer.

Fingers Crossed.

Rook,
You have my sympathy, mate. At least nobody here dissed you out for speeding. On other forums, a few people (even some who own fast bikes) would have reprimanded you. I don't see the point of owning a 100+ bhp bike if you are never going to exploit the power. We hyperbike owners know that a few seconds of throttle twisting in any gear is going to accelerate to illegal speeds. Most of us do it from time to time - some are just luckier than others.

Don't sell your bikes. If your insurance goes up, consider selling one of them. That way you will save 50% on insurance. Keep the other for the time when you start missing the thrill. Just choose the location for thrill seeking carefully in future. Here where I live, I avoid freeways and other high-trafic roads whenever I can. If I have to ride them, I religiously stick to the speed limit. For fun, I head out to the back roads with the highest twisties/traffic ratio.

here here jcsquare; words expressed for rook couldn't be said A N Y !!! BETTER MATE

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For fun, I head out to the back roads with the highest twisties/traffic ratio.

That's my plan too, super high speeds are just too risky on public roads. It may be time for Rook to divest himself of one of his hyperbikes and go to a liter or maybe 600 and discover the real joy of riding....... in the twisties. Also Rook, go to your bike shop and hook up with a local sport riders group. These guys will have a wealth of information about local roads and where you can go fast in relative safety. Also there is safety in numbers, just remember to park your ego at the door and go at your own pace on these kind of rides, there will be some really fast guys in the pack......guaranteed.

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Damb,that sucks.

Just from what I'v seen from my riding buddys is if they lawer up they always get something reduced in court and not just their driving record & pocketbook if you just pay up. Like Slowninja said, in OK if you don't give the insurance a reason (a claim, looking for new ins.)to look up your record, they'll never know and under their radar you go

I'm with JC and Bean on this.There's definitely a time and place for shenanigans.BG's riding areas and mine are so similar.I'm VERY fortunate to live where there's major open high speed roads and curves and sweepers and such.Traffic is not really much considering.I got let off two weeks ago by the MHP.Clocked me at 83(which is really nuthin).I come around a nice fast curve,yep...there he was,just pullin onto the oncoming lane.I hit the brakes,slowed(to 83)and then passed him.I didn't look back...I just pulled into the parking area of this "midway"store.There's ANOTHER one sittin right there as I pull in and around the back.He was inside I guess at the little eatery they have there.So I just go around back,park my baby,unsaddle....here he comes up alongside.SMILING.HHMMMM.....okay.I pull my helmet off and he says..."my buddy just clocked ya at 83....can ya just slow it down a bit...don't want you to nail a deer on yer bike"..."Yeah,I know...I was goin too fast...sorry about that...okay,ya,sure,I'll slow up"..."have a good day" he says.WHEW....geez....FINALLY....I got a break!I'm thinkin...."if he'd just come around that bend 1 minute earlier...OMG...he'd a had a NICE FAT TICKET to go with those fries!"Hell,I was hittin 130 just before that curve!That actually has occurred SEVERAL times...the copper "just" missin my antics....I've been really lucky like that.IDK....I think I'm a safe rider?I wouldn't think of rollin like that if there were any cages around.Nice to get a break sometimes.And ya...I did cruise sanely the rest of the way home.

I think you'll get a break on that Bro...just do what you feel is the right thing.The rest will work out okay.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 8/31/2010 @ 10:17 AM *

i hope it works out for you rook!
we've all twisted the throttle a little more than needed, its one of the reasons we ride!
i had occasion to 'race' a gallardo from monaco to genoa in the rain!! there was some silly speeds involved and i did ask myself afterwards what the hell was i thinking??!!
i spent the next day taking it real easy to make up for it tho!

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I've been a criminal defense lawyer for 30 years. If you can afford it and it makes economic sense hire a lawyer and see if he can keep continuing the case until the police officer doesn't show and then it willl be dismissed. Otherwise go yourself and see if he shows. you can continue it yourself before the hearing by making a request to the court. Try to pick a day that is right after a holiday weekend or say the friday after thanksgiving. those are the kind of days policeman are most likely to blow off a traffic hearing.
also if you pass the attitide test you may be able to get the policeman to write the ticket down before the hearing to the speed that will get you 4 points. Many officers will do this if it will cause you a hardship. If that doesn't work see if at the hearing his laser or radar is certified. does he have any video? he has to prove it beyond a resonable doubt. I avoid making discovery requests in most traffic cases because then the cop will show, will not write it down 2 points and it will make him more determinged. I believe a low profile and date inconvience are you best friend to getting a ticket dropped. A full scale defense is very expensive and in the situation you descripe might be very low percentage.
best of luck.

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Hey Rook , Did you ever think about not stopping ??????. Were all Heros until it happens to us, often thought screw it on, find a side road. but in reality don't know if i would have the guts to do it. Good luck

Rook, sorry about your incident. Many of us, myself included have been there done that. You are just going through "the grieving process". It will pass and you will learn from it.

As far as the ticket. Fight it. Get a lawyer and or go to court. It will be reduced. Most counties in Wisconsin just want your money. You *might* get no points and changed to a very expensive parking ticket or impeding traffic etc. It depends on the county.

Get a *good* radar detector and choose better locations for "selective riding". There are many areas in the land of cheese for a spirited ride other than the interstate. Interstate = Laser which can be deadly. Backroads around Wisconsin are usually K or KA band. With a radar detector learn its limitations and learn to think like a cop. Go to other websites and read what you can about their (police) equipment. They do have their limitations as well. Think of a radar detector as a tool or a rabbit in front of you. It doesn't make you invincible...you still need common sense and your eyes.

Now Rook...go watch THIS INSPIRATIONAL VIDEO. It is one of my all time favorite motorcycle videos and really captures the essence of our sport. It is a long video but well worth the watch when you get time for a beer or two. Sorry, the music can get a little mundane but not too bad after a little liquid enhancement.

Now keep your head up and see you at Ducati night for the fashion show!

jcsquare wrote:

I avoid freeways and other high-trafic roads whenever I can. If I have to ride them, I religiously stick to the speed limit. For fun, I head out to the back roads with the highest twisties/traffic ratio.

You're playing it smart jc....I'd still be very careful, seeing what one ticket can do..I'm out riding tinight actually enjoying the beautiful sky and the cool air .....getting passed by cages the whole way... Do you think a slow moving vehicle triangle sign would look alright hanging from the lic plate?? because I need one.

Yes, also as you mentioned, it's nice that I can return to the thread and read all well wishing comments. Thanks everyone. You read the beginning , I admit what a dumbass I am. I'll say it a million times I should have been more careful. No excuse for getting busted 35+ during an ordinary drive home.
Kruz wrote:

It may be time for Rook to divest himself of one of his hyperbikes and go to a liter or maybe 600 and discover the real joy of riding....... in the twisties.

That might happen some day. Tell you the truth, I can't even bare the thought of going fast anywhere where I might get spotted by police. Maybe some day. I loved the twisties but I still don't consider them safe zones. I have seen cops out there as well. A lot less but they are there.

blue wrote:

e'd a had a NICE FAT TICKET to go with those fries!"Hell,I was hittin 130 just before that curve!That actually has occurred SEVERAL times...the copper "just" missin my antics....I've been really lucky like that.

BLUE!! dammit blue, I was saying the same thing last week. Don't loose your license over this. I know I've turned into Grandma Rook now. You've been at this a while longer than me---please just remember you are not invincible. A cop is going to be waiting for some one and if it's your number that comes up ...well this just sucks this sort of thing. You might not need insurance but you need a license.

THANK YOU ALASKA RIDER FOR THE EXPERT ADVICE. I was very polite to the officer and he was extremely professional and polite to me. I don't think he would have any kind of axe to grind. Hope this will get negotiated down before a trial, though.

ethin wrote:

Hey Rook , Did you ever think about not stopping ??????.

Never crossed my mind. I had a sense I was hooked and the lights were no surprise. I had a couple seconds to think and running just never occurred to me. Truth be told, I really didn't think I was doing 100 and it was not a maintained high speed. I had slowed way down by the time I git to the overpass. I was able to safely stop in a very short distance actually right on the ramp the cop came screaming down to get me.

Thanks for the vid CoolWhip. It is a great one. Never saw it before. You can see WI does have some great roads. As exciting as it looks, I can't think about riding those anymore. Maybe on a track but I am spooked into slow motion now. Not afraid of the speed at all... I just don't want to try to outsmart the cops. You know, I got a big ticket back in about '93 in my '85 Corolla. Flat out, that thing would do about 93 mph and it was scary. I got nailed one time...I don't really know how fast but I believe it was an insurance hiker. It made insurance pretty much unaffordable. I dove for the next 4-5 years very slow, very careful and on God's insurance. Worked. I'm not about to take that route any more. I couldn't stomache the thought of getting pulled over. I have two little girls too. I have to live a grown up life...that doesn't mean I can't find some way to enjoy riding.....and definitely does not mean I can't enjoy looking at bikini models. Yeah, we'll see you there bro.

HEY>>>>>>>Thanks to all you guys for the uplifting comments. This helps me out. I got my man Kruz watching out for me too. Thanks for all the support.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/31/2010 @ 11:20 PM *

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Rookster, my last ticket was years ago, it was a 99 in a 55 zone. I thought about running, considering that the cop was going the other direction when he radared me, and I was already doing 100, but it was at night, on a flood prone, deer infested farm road with only one outlet, a VERY poor choice for a high speed pursuit, considering the radio's and other cars that would have cut me off at the other end. In my state that speed also qualified as reckless driving, a possible 8 point ticket (out of 12 total for the year) which also meant handcuffs, a trip to jail, large amounts of money, and my bike impounded. But since I pulled over and waited for the officer to turn around and come back for me instead of running, which he thought for sure I was going to do, he just wrote me a ticket for the speed only (I got REAL lucky!!!) and let me go home. I went to court and did what I always do with tickets, I asked to talk to one of the assistant district attorneys after I appeared for my initial court appearance, and pled my ticket down to a 75 in a 55, paid my 160 bucks, took my 4 points on my license and no insurance increase, and left. In my state when you appear in court you're given the option to talk to an assitant DA to plead your ticket down.....if you come to an agreement you like you settle then and there and its done. If not, then you go back to court and start over. I would think your state would be similiar?
BTW Rook everybody feels this way after their first big ticket on a bike.....it'll pass don't let it get you down, you'll be fine. You just have to pick your spots to speed. I'm lucky enough to have wide open cop free desert to go as fast as I want, and also have some beatiful mountian twisties to hit as well. But I still have to reel in the urge to hit the throttle sometimes, you gotta pick your spots to play....be smart

* Last updated by: BadinBlack on 9/1/2010 @ 4:47 AM *

i've never seen so much writing over 1 ticket

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That's it Rook, all of us have been where you are at one time or another, you just experienced incredible good fortune by avoiding a ticket for so many years. It finally caught up with you, you got stung and now you'll ride smarter. Don't quit, remember....this too shall pass!

BTW...... listen to these guys and avoid the Interstate if you're going to go fast, that is about the absolute worst place.

Alaskarider... thanks for helping my bro out with the legal tips!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/1/2010 @ 6:36 AM *

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BnB wrote:

went to court and did what I always do with tickets, I asked to talk to one of the assistant district attorneys after I appeared for my initial court appearance, and pled my ticket down to a 75 in a 55, paid my 160 bucks, took my 4 points on my license and no insurance increase, and left.

That sounds so nice and simple and relatively painless. I would give it a try but I don't trust myself to go before the prosecuter and successfully bargain. I have (had) a flawless record for 20some years but if this doesn't work out favorably for me, I don't want to feel it was because I didn't put forth all I can....and that means money whivh I should not be spending ...but if there's a chance it will erase my dumass mistake, I'll pay.

1bad. already beat you to it several times. Here goes again. Boy, was I a dipchit or what? I was a lot smarter when I didn't know how to ride the bike. I have a big, shiny STUPIDO award on my mantle.

* Last updated by: Rook on 9/1/2010 @ 8:13 AM *

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all of us have been where you are at one time or another

NO!!!!!!! Not all of us . cry me a river .

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You know for about 750 or 800 clams you can get a radar detector and a laser jammer that will make you undectable by laser. I have had a jammer since I got a warning for going 88 in a 55 on my 14 ( I was going much faster and he thanked me for stopping). Since I installed the jammer I go by and they can't get a reading on me. I can detect their radar way ahead so radar is not an issue. check out laser jammers on the internet. They are not legal in a few states so check your local laws.
Never run you take a 500 dollar problem and make it into a felony; just like that. The worst part is the high number of folks who get hurt in high speed chases. That will cost big time in the big house. So stop and pass the attitude test. the alternative is very scary.

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Never run you take a 500 dollar problem and make it into a felony; just like that. The worst part is the high number of folks who get hurt in high speed chases. That will cost big time in the big house. So stop and pass the attitude test. the alternative is very scary

In Toronto now 50 over is deemed racing with a 10,000 dollar fine and bike gone. If your a kid with a bike and can barely make your payments,,,,, Guess what your going to do.

Last week here in Toronto we had a high speed chase and the young mans girlfriend fell off the back on our 401 highway during the chase. They say at least one other car ran her over. Shut the highway down for hours. Lots of gory details go with this rest of this story, yuk. He still has not been found. The class act still did not stop. So, ya things can go very very wrong.

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The Special Investigations Unit has identified the passenger who died after falling from a motorcycle involved in a police chase last Friday.

Ioana Bocunescu, 40, of Toronto, died on scene after the driver of a motorcycle attempted to speed away from a Durham police cruiser when it was pulled over on Hwy. 401 near Brock St. in Whitby last Friday.

It is unclear why the motorcycle was being pulled over, said SIU spokeswoman Monica Hudon.

Bocunescu, who was sitting on the back on the bike, was struck by at least one vehicle, Hudon said. The SIU is called in on all cases of serious injury, death or sexual assault that involves police.

The driver of the motorcycle has not been arrested.

Toronto resident Jennifer Howey witnessed the accident. She said she saw the deceased’s body parts on the road, including a severed head that was still in the helmet, and an arm.

“I’ve witnessed accidents and stopped, but what I saw was shocking,” said Howey. “It amazes me that the bike didn’t wipe out.”

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http://www.educationforthedrivingmasses.com/2010/08/witness-describes-whitby-fatal-crash.html

Here is the article, very gory. The police should not be allowed to engage in a high speed chase with a motorcycle, this innocent young lady payed with her life for this foolishness and the bike rider got away anyway.....at least for now. The police should have gotten the guys license number and picked him up at the house, don't get into these stupid Hollywood style high speed chases and endanger everyone on the highway. There are many cities in Texas where police are now forbidden to engage in high speed pursuit, Dallas is one of them, insurance companies will not pay if there is an accident. We had one just the other night where a Sheriff's Deputy crashed chasing two drug dealers on cruisers no less. He skidded out of control and struck a telephone pole, the two motorcyclists got away but were picked up later in an unrelated incident. Especially with these younger kids on sport bikes, the police will take what is an ordinary speeding ticket situation and turn it into a high speed tragedy like they did up in Canada. Quite often the young rider and his passenger are killed along with others in vehicles around the chase and somtimes the police themselves. Most of the time these kids are endangering no one but themselves on a 400 pound machine, let 'em go and pick 'em up on something else later. Think about it, when was the last time you heard about someone on a motorcycle killing someone in a car? When was the last time you heard about people dying in a high speed police pursuit? I am way more afraid of an out of control police car crashing into me than a motorcycle.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/1/2010 @ 1:05 PM *

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Never run you take a 500 dollar problem and make it into a felony; just like that. The worst part is the high number of folks who get hurt in high speed chases. That will cost big time in the big house. So stop and pass the attitude test. the alternative is very scary.

Second that. If a cop is behind you with lights flashing---------just don't do it. How the hell you gonna live and ride in comfort knowing how bad they want to nail you after that? Nobody is going to get away unless they run on their own turf where they know the roads and then that's your place to ride with Mr "yur ass is mine" waiting for you. Not to mention the danger. Police cruisers are fast enough to keep you in sight over a pretty long distance. They will do over a hundred to respond to emergencies and I'm sure they will in a chase. That's not where you want to find your limits.

That is a sad story Rom. Thanks for sharing. Hate to be a say one thing do another....but my girls aren't hanging with any bikers until they are in their thirties.....maybe. Can't imagine my sweeties getting hurt on a motorcycle. just awful.

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That is a sad story Rom. Thanks for sharing. Hate to be a say one thing do another....but my girls aren't hanging with any bikers until they are in their thirties.....maybe. Can't imagine my sweeties getting hurt on a motorcycle. just awful.

I heard that. I have two girls of my own.
I can't help but wonder how this guy is going to be able to live with what he has done. (he just left her) Shame to say, but I would not be surprised if they find this guy swinging from a rope. Allot to live with. You can just imagine what her parents are going through right now. Gives me goose bumps. Yuk-E story.

I feel like a hypocrite right now but I guess at the time you just don't think.

I noticed at the last bike night more young guys have the flip up plates. Push the button and the plate flips up and away you go. I've watched it happen twice so far. Here in Toronto with that stupid law I'm sure you will see more of this. These kids are already making plans to run, eeekkkk. If the fine was a 200 dollars that girl may be alive today. Just my opinion.

Sorry Rook. once again good luck bro