Just huffing and blowing..... but not refuting the facts.

The 2011/12 ZX10R has every bit as much horsepower as the ZX14, weighs over 100 pounds less, has better handling and stopping.

The math is irrefutable.

Just because you haven't seen one with a good pilot doesn't make your argument correct. What you are saying flies in the face of facts.

I can tell you thet the "facts" are highly exaggerated with the new 10R. Super Street Bike did a test with one a few issues ago and ran it with MODs down the 2 mile track and could not get over 192. That is a fact. The same MODs on a 14 would bust 200 down the 2 mile track. That is a fact.

Now, in the last SSB magazine, a dude (at home)created a chip that will override the limiter. In order for it to work though, it disables the ABS and Traction Control on the bike.

Don't get me wrong, I think the new 10R has one of the meanest motors ever made but the difference on the street with comparable riders and similar MODs is small.

They ran it with the limiter enabled. It is simple to disable, doesn't even take an add on gadget. You just log into the ECU with the race package software, and turn it off. I mean, seriously, you don't think the WSB package is going to have a limited top speed do you?

Just don't forget math is math. If it takes 197 horsepower to move a 600 pound bike X distance in Y time, and you reduce the bike weight by 150 pounds, then X and Y will both decrease, all other things equal.

So unless you hold the ludicrous position the ZX10R is an inferior bike compared to the ZX14 you have to grant that it is more than a match for the ZX14 everywhere but the drag strip.

Need more than math? Get a really good AMA guy or girl to take a stock ZX14 around a road course, and then a stock ZX10R, and compare the times. Leave the limiters on both, or remove both. Clock top speed on the longest straight. I rest my case.

* Last updated by: privateer on 6/28/2011 @ 9:37 AM *

Kawasaki is going to have to step up their game on the "king".

UNfortunately, Privy is right. On a long straight, the zx10 WILL walk from us. Rider size being equal (we aren't counting the 250 lb guys on zx10s, thats just not right)

The zx14 is the king of drag.. It's what our bikes were designed for. To outrun the Hayabusa. ON the highway and roadcourse, we're being left behind.

Ok, what are do-raggers? I'm afraid I'm weak on many common terms

Me too. First I heard of it Lol. Can I wash my truck with one ?

Equally modded, my gen1 10r is faster than my zx14... except for getting outta the hole. Especially since I've lost some weight. However, you gotta be nutz to hold a 10r at WOT above 150mph on the street... it gets SKETCHY. The zx14, on the other hand, (as ya'll know) is soooo fuckin' stable at those speeds you don't even think to let off the throttle until it's bouncing off of the limiter.

So, what's my point?... A crazy sumbitch, on a litre, with a little skill and a lotta balls will take your lunch $$$.

"Ok, what are do-raggers? I'm afraid I'm weak on many common terms"

Me too. First I heard of it Lol. Can I wash my truck with one ?

LOL Romans, you can after one has an accident, and by washing your truck with it, the blood will come out of it. Then you use it as a shop rag.

But to be honest, I keep my hair buzz cut because I'm stuck in my old ways, so I wear a do-rag (more a pull on cap) UNDER my full face helmet, to keep the liner a little cleaner on long trips. Thats a valid use for a do-rag.

I copied that gruesome brain surgery picture early in the thread, and emailed it to my mc with a scathing cut at the guys and girls who drop the helmet when we cross into PA, or wear the almost-a-helmet skull caps. "Oh look at me, I am a bad-ass. Today. Weekdays I'm an accountant".

* Last updated by: privateer on 6/28/2011 @ 12:41 PM *

Most liter bikes are putting down about 150-160 RWHP. The extra HP you get from a 14 or busa is clearly seen on the street.

I just came off of a 2008 CBR 1000 and it was a beast. It was lighter than most 600s and would take off like a spaceship. I still think the 14 is a better bike at top speeds. The stability counts for alot.

Well...FINE!OKAY! Be that way then.I just wanna know...where's these racers when ya need one!MAYBE twice a year I pass someone on a 1000 or whatever along my travels here.They sure keepin these badazz bikes of theirs a friggin secret around here.The last 1000 I encountered bout lost it as I was just ready to make my move.He escaped...I wasn't gonna pass two cars on a solid yellow curve.But I had him before that,on his azz....you could tell dude was skaken.120 and still stayin with him.Wish I'd had a vid of that one...funny shi^ seein him go wide an shi*....my bluebird just diggin in like she was on rails.SWEEET!

Passed him at a rest stop about 4 miles up the road...he was changin his...diapers...well...looked like that to me anyway.

All things bein equal..that gixxer shoulds kicked my azz?Well...perhaps.Spose it could happen.I'm no racer.It's all good.The 10's a sweet bike...very nice.If it wasn't "small" for me,I'd have to say...I'd probably get one.But...alas....I like the weight of my bike.I do feel safe riding my 14.VERY predictable...very.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/28/2011 @ 2:41 PM *

On the street, things are never equal!

Ya...that Honda...that guy....knows what the hell he's doin fer sure!Pretty amazing riding for a cruiser.You know he must live and breathe the Dragon.Probably goes home and studies his Google Map of the Tail.Imagine he's got "markers" in his head where he's gonna do this or that.Sweeet!Personally,roads like that scare me(well,not actually SCARE..but...you know what I mean.I don't like em that much).Especially after crashin on one.I take it easy in that kind of stuff.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 6/28/2011 @ 3:30 PM *

trainedkilla wrote:

Most liter bikes are putting down about 150-160 RWHP. The extra HP you get from a 14 or busa is clearly seen on the street.

We aren't talking about "most liter bikes". We are talking about the 2011 ZX10R which is 197 rwhp real world, on the track. It weighs at least 100, probably 150 pounds less than our ZX14s. Ergo, it will accelerate faster and can have just as fast a top speed since its got equal or better horsepower. There is no reason the ZX10R will be less stable at speed than the ZX14, it was designed, after all, for 190 mph straights on road courses.

Besides, my ZX11 was stable at 200mph, and it is far inferior to both the ZX14 and the new ZX10R.

Curious about your monkiker, "trainedkilla", are you in the military?

Blue07, you won't see good ZX10R pilots because they will be in the mountains with me, on 320 degree uphill hairpins (1st gear to 6k, 2nd gear after 3rd apex - yes, its a nontrivial hairpin, time for 3rd for 30 seconds before the next turn) and stuff like that. Challenging stuff.

Seriously, just because you haven't seen one doesn't negate the performance data. Like, last year Kawasaki finally had a rider in WSB who could ride, but the bike kept throwing him around. This year, its a whole different ball game. Maybe the bike will be better than the rider in 2011.

But you can't spin this away from the facts. A) 2011 ZX10R owns ZX14 on road course, b) 2011 ZX10R will go every bit as fast as a ZX14, every bit as stable, c) Going fast on a near straight road is not something a ZX10R bike would enjoy, if there are mountains nearby.

In other words, no matter how you try to weasle it around, you just can't stand in front of a ZX10R and tell it your ZX14 is a faster bike, or better handling. Thats ludicrous.

Privateer is right, a 10r will smoke a 14 in the 1/4 and top end, but you'll need a chiropractor if you ride it 400 miles. The 10r is a track bike. The 14 is a road bike with balls. Getting back to the doo raggers. The reason they act the way they do is because they paid 4 times what their bike is worth--I guess your paying for all that innovation--Thinking up 50 names for the same basic frame and engine, that has no power, brakes or handling. They may be pissed off because they got all dressed up and can't find the Halloween party or a pirate ship to board. Riding one reminds me of my old Cushman Eagle. I would rather be raped by bigfoot using a bobwire condom than own one. What a piece of shit.

You've got some good one liners Scott.

okokokokokoko OK. I have to get a 10r but I will wait until they make one that is better looking than a Hardly.

I think most of you should buy a 10 then.

Private, yes...I am in the Army.

it's ok. buying a new bike does not mean giving up the old one lol. What fun would that be?

I won't necessarily wait to see if the new liter bikes compete with hyperbikes in LSR but a 600cc sized bike with a 200 hp motor sounds pretty bitchin for the track. Heard the powerband is also like a 600 so thetre is another reason to not let go of the 14.

Who cares- any of us will get smoked in any number of situations. I took one of my fav corners last night. Started in faster and a lot wider than usual hoping to allow for a longer span between entering and exiting. It just made taking the corner all unfamiliar and I got spooked. I saw some gravel on the road side too. I totally blew it. The guy in the vette who followed me into the corner had no problem staying right on me and he totally rubbed my nose in it by crawling up my a$$ at the end (I saw in the rear view) How embarrassing-----but I know I would have annihilated him in a straightline and at least put up a better fight in the corner if I had taken my corner as I always do.

Same thing with a friendly contest against a ZX-10. No way is he going to pass me in the corner but if I screw up it will be very obvious. (Maybe if he is really good and a little crazy he would pass me, too.)

A crazy sumbitch, on a litre, with a little skill and a lotta balls will take your lunch $$$.

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/28/2011 @ 8:23 PM *

SO ANYWAYS..........saw some pirates on bikes today. Just a few. Most of them were at work earning $$$ to make that monthly Hardly payment. But everyone knows those bikes will pay for themselves upon resale.

trainedkilla wrote:

Private, yes...I am in the Army.

Cool, am ex-Army myself, West Point '74, etc. What is your Occupational Specialty(s)?

* Last updated by: privateer on 6/29/2011 @ 9:11 AM *

I am branched MI now but was Infantry for 14 years.

I would rather be raped by bigfoot using a bobwire condom than own one. What a piece of shit.

ROFL,,,,, well that solves it. I'm not getting one. How did I miss the rest of this thread. Getting good.

trainedkilla wrote:

I am branched MI now but was Infantry for 14 years

ok, I just don't remember your town (Ft Mitchell) even though I hung around the Phoenix City Kawasaki when I was stationed at Ft. Benning.

Of course, that was 37 years ago, it might have been little more than a stoplight back then. Heh.

Fort mitchell is right outside the west gate behind the airfield. I am sure it was just farmland 37 years ago though. Lol

Ok, killa

Just don't call me private, its privateer. If you want to call me something else, it should be Captain, or Sir.

LOL or whatever, just don't call me late to dinner.

Did you leave the military after your first term as a CPT?

I got badly hurt twice within the space of about a few months (TBIs, nerve damage) and managed to physically recover and do another 2 years or so, but the induced PTSD cost me my commission.

The VA has already service-connected the PTSD as induced from TBIs, but has yet (after 2 years) to set the final disability percentage and pay the backpay.

Some of the physical injuries became problems over the years, and several of them are service-connected too.

I log into eBenefits using my DoD signon once a week to look at the status of the claim. I keep hoping they will finally make a decision.

My advocate is not amused at how long VA is taking. I don't want to go to court, but if I have to I will.