Black Akra fits perfect with the CBR.The Yosh...nah...too gaudy.

Looks even better in person, good job Rookster!

Black Akra fits perfect with the CBR

Busa's lookin GOOD Rook!

The blackout lenses reduce the brightnss by about %15 I would say. Still visible even on a bright day but a little less safe, of course.

Benny, ROFLMAO! ok?....aaaaaand what would Kruz get out of the arrangement?

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/17/2010 @ 9:03 AM *

Must say just that you could shit yourself in bed and I would not kick you out !!!!!!!! And I'm not even gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey it may be legal but it's not compolsury !!! Cheers from Brissy AUS where then the men come first and the woman "well to be honest who cares" ,,,,,,,, Oh man I'm going down for that one .... ah well fuck it it ????

????? I'm not going to even comment on this one!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 8/17/2010 @ 11:55 AM *

Rook, ahhhh that blackened Busa rear-end is much better on the eyes. Good seeing you at TWT this week. On a side note, check out Iron Horse Hotel particularly-- August 26, Cafe Racer Night & September 9, Ducati Night. I am thinking the Ducati night would be my pick with the "fashion show" and all.

^^^^Oh geeze OMG< OMG Oh Geeze!!!! NOw that reaaly is killing me , Whip.

500 WEST FLORIDA STREET
MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN 53204
Sounds like it's on the South side maybe. Little different neighborhood than Culvers on 124th butt we aint seen any girls in bikinis at Culvers either, have we. Perfect excuse to ogle some hot chicks in bikinis. I'm there.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/19/2010 @ 7:51 PM *

OK.... been gone a few days and you guys are already turning my thread into a soft core porn site! Anyway, just ordered two Zero Gravity SR screens for the 10R and 6R in dark smoke, same as the one for the CBR. Should be here by Friday. Stockers are a very light smoke, I thought the darker screens would accent both bikes a little better, I'm sure Rook will have an opinion LOL!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 8/28/2010 @ 12:23 PM *

OK.... been gone a few days and you guys are already turning my thread into a soft core porn site!

Can I have one please ?

Bikes are looking great guys. Shes Looking sharp Rook.

I know I'm a bit off topic here Kruz but I thought this would be the best place to ask about the CBR 1000RR.

While on vacation I hooked up with some of my Fellow Redneck buddies. These guys were hard core to the extreme.

We did a 5 hour Mad max run along the south shore of the Atlantic ocean. One of them had a 2008 CBR-1000RR. This guy had mid range power that was un F..king unbelievable. Made us zx14s look silly. I know mid range is this bikes strong point, but I guess I had to see it to believe it. I was in shock. 6th gear stand ups, over and over again. The bike looks easy to ride and light in the corners. Amazing really.

We were coming out of corners at 240km and this guy was going by me in a full stand up wheelie. I followed him for two kilometers at speeds in excess of 220 while this guy is standing on the pegs going around the smaller turns(nuts).You could tell he and the bike were one. Made it look easy. EEEEkkkkkk.

Once again I have a new found respect for the one litre. Spent to much time with these guys and I did not have the right tools.

Sooo,,,,,,,, Which one CBR or Kawi is your fav. And could you tell me why ? Please don't say buy both, Me No have wallet 4 that lol. Those riders messed up my Noodle. HELP Please.

Romans, unfortunately I have an '07 model CBR 1000RR not an '08. There is supposed to be a lot of difference between the '07s and '08s but I don't know that for a fact cause I have never ridden an '08. In other words, don't take it for gospel truth. The '08's are supposed to have crazy midrange power and be very light, around 440 lbs with full fuel, about 20 pounds lighter than the rest of the liter bikes. I have a hard time believeing they are that much different but only a test ride would tell. Be forewarned, the '08/'09s have a reputation for burning oil, as much as one liter per 1000. There has been a class action lawsuit filed against American Honda Corp. over this. It has something to do with the Nikasil cylinder finish and ring selection. The '07s are as tight as a drum, mine doesn't use a drop between changes.

OK, comparing my '07 CBR 1000RR with the Akra slipon and PCIII to my '08 ZX-10r with Akra Evolution full system, PCIII and TRE009.

The CBR has slower initial turn in at speed but is more stable in the turns than the ZX-10. I carry the highest cornering speeds on the CBR of all my bikes including the 6R. Honda's just have this incredible composure and calmness about them. It's real, I find myself twisting the throttle hard when I have the bike layed over on it's side...confidence inspiring. I believe this comes from the electronic HESD steering damper Honda uses. At any rate I am chunking rubber off the edges of the BT-016s on the CBR, not so on the others indicating I am laying down the power when heeled over.

The ZX-10 feels way narrower between your legs and feels more like a 600. The CBR feels a bit fat between the knees. My 10R has been extensively lightened up and I am guessing under 440 lbs full of gas now. The Akra knocked off 16 lbs by itself and the ZX has good mass centralization so it feels really light, even more so than the CBR. It leaps into corners, quicker than the CBR but once there it has a nervous feeling that keeps you from exploring the lean limits. It doesn't feel unstable in the turns so much as "unsettled". I attribute this to the crap Ohlins steering damper. It is essentially worthless and cranking the adjuster knob does nothing.....totally gutted.

Powerwise the 10 feels like it's laying down at least 25 more HP than the CBR. Ever since Ivanizing this thing it is an absolute cruise missile with a midrange wallop that must challenge the '08 CBR and stratospheric topend thrust. It is the only bike I have ever ridden that makes my ZX-14 feel slow. Low end is not as strong as the CBR but it is smoother with strong, usuable torque coming in around 4000 rpm and by 6000 rpm it's hang on for dear life time. I haven't had it dynoed but Ivan's site shows 176 rear wheel hp and being 100 lbs lighter than my ZX-14 it's no wonder it leaves it in the dust.

The CBR has a strong hit right off bottom, ZX-14 strong, then settles into a long, smooth, hitless pull to the redline. It doesn't rip your arms out of their sockets like the 10R, never feels fast but surprisingly it gathers speed very quickly. Despite being down about 25 HP from the 10R, it seems like I am carrying the same speeds through
each section on both bikes.

Ergos feel quite similar with the 10R being a touch more aggressive but fitting me quite nicely. I have done 200 mile rides on both machines with no problems.

The 10R has better brakes both in initial bite and progression. The CBR stops great it's just that the 10R is a hard act to follow.

Engine smoothness goes to the 10R, CBR has some midrange vibration at right around 5000 rpm. The 10R has some coarseness around 4000 rpm and then again around 8000 rpm but not as strong as the CBR vibrations at 5K.

Idle quality, the 10R has a surge at idle like it never really settles down, the CBR has a near perfect idle, just purrs away.

I know it sounds like a cop out but they're both very capable machines and enjoy riding both, can't lose with either one!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 8/30/2010 @ 8:19 AM *

Be forewarned, the '08/'09s have a reputation for burning oil, as much as one liter per 1000. There has been a class action lawsuit filed against American Honda Corp. over this. It has something to do with the Nikasil cylinder finish and ring selection

Ekkkk, he was asking me if I had heard anything about this because he is burning allot of oil and is very worried. I told him I would go on line and ask you. Now I don't have to. Thanks bro.

Great Read Kruz. What is the best forum to read up on the 1000RR. I will send him there. Cheers

Romans, here's the links to the oil burning thread and Class Action Suit against Honda:

http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67473

http://classactionlawsuitsinthenews.com/class-action-lawsuits/honda-cbr-1000-rr-motorcycle-piston-ring-engine-oil-class-action-lawsuit-filed/

This is a real sore point among '08/'09 owners. Some burn oil and others claim they don't. It seems to start at around 4000 miles and some of the guys have run their engines bone dry...pretty scarey stuff. So far, and it's been over two years now since the problem with this bike first emerged, Honda has not stepped up to the plate and offered an explanation or a fix. They are treating each bike as a seperate warranty issue. To be honest, this is what prompted me to buy an '07 instead of an '08 back a few years ago. I knew the aggravation I would be getting into would really take the joy out of riding the bike so I opted out. The '08/'09s are arguably one of the finest literbikes ever made and that includes the new BMW but this oil burning thing has really given the bikes reputation a black eye.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 8/31/2010 @ 11:14 AM *

Romans, since you're already a Kawi guy, I'd be tempted to buy a left over ZX-10R, let Ivan work his magic on it and then send the steering damper off to Dan Kyle Racing for a revalving. I think you'd would be very happy with the end results.

This is what he had to say about his bike

My 08 cbr is quite a bit more narrow than the 07 and feels a lot lighter, it also has a totally new clutch design, mine is a cable activated slipper clutch vs hydraulic and is much easier to handle. it seems that honda aimed for a more "user friendly" design rather than loads of power, just my opinion... mine does burn a bit more oil than it should, but as long as it doesn't get any worst or start making problems, it's just a matter of checking the oil every 3 or 4 rides, not a big deal i gess....( on that note, for some stupid reason the installed a dip stick rather than a sight glass... grrrr) pain in my ass

Romans, since you're already a Kawi guy, I'd be tempted to buy a left over ZX-10R, let Ivan work his magic on it

I have been looking, Honda thing messed me up a bit.

send the steering damper off to Dan Kyle Racing for a revalving.

Do you have more info on this? The damper on the 6R does nothing.Great Winter project. Thanks Kruz

Here ya go Romans, these guys rebuild your stock Ohlins to race specs for $125. Supposed to transform the ride. The only thing wrong with the 6R and 10R is they lack a quality steering damper. Once that's fixed you can go 'Blade Hunting".

http://www.lako.com/motorcycle/Ohlins_steering_damper_services.htm

I think you'll find that if you Ivanize a 10R it is going to have similar midrange hit to your buddies '08 Honda with lots more topend end and better low end as well. Weight wise with the Evo pipe, your right there as well and you don't have to worry about burning oil. The 10R is very narrow between the legs, just like the 6R. Yes my '07 CBR is a bit fat in the tank area, feels like your in a birthing chair... LOL! I don't mind though, the bike is really quick and fun to ride.

I had Dan Kyle redo my steering damper to race spec, 87.00 plus shipping. I highly recommend this mod. OEM damper on my '09 ZX6R was crap. Sent mine off @ 187mi. on the odometer. I had headshake all the time. Since Dan did his magic, it works as well or better than the other dampers (GPR V4's) that I have on my other bikes.

Do you have a link for that Cutback, that price sounds better? What else do you have done to your 6R in the way of performance mods? I have the Akra slipon and Zero Gravity SR windscreen and fender eliminator. Steering damper is all I need for now as the front end is nervous like the 10R.

Here's a Euro spec '08 blade bone stock versus an '07 also bone stock. You can see the '08 has a big advantage in the midrange. The U.S. spec '08s are way down on HP by comparison due to timing retard in the upper rev range and put out no more power at peak than an '07. the fix is to either change to a Euro spec ECU or add on an aftermarket device that removes the retard. Looking at this chart and my chart from Akrapovic with the slipon, my midrange is close to an '08 with gobs more low end, especially with the flapper mod.

Stock 2007 vs stock 2008 CBR 1000RR

Stock 2007 CBR 100RR w/ akrapovic Slipon Exhaust

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/2/2010 @ 11:24 AM *

You can reach Dan @ www.kyleusa.com or (831)394-1330
I've got a Leo Vince carbon/titanium sbk2 slip with pinebox midpipe, pc-v, bmc race filters, speedhealer, healtech x-tre, afam +1 rear, spiegler brake lines, carbon lorraine front pads, evotech front axle sliders and exhaust hanger, spider grips, stomp grips, solo seat cowl and a few other misc. mods. The funnest bike I have ever owned.

The funnest bike I have ever owned.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/2/2010 @ 1:49 PM *

Cutback let see some pics. She sounds hot.

Here's one!

* Last updated by: Cutback on 9/2/2010 @ 7:10 PM *

"My 08 cbr is quite a bit more narrow than the 07 and feels a lot lighter, it also has a totally new clutch design, mine is a cable activated slipper clutch vs hydraulic and is much easier to handle. it seems that honda aimed for a more "user friendly" design rather than loads of power, just my opinion... mine does burn a bit more oil than it should, but as long as it doesn't get any worst or start making problems, it's just a matter of checking the oil every 3 or 4 rides, not a big deal i gess....( on that note, for some stupid reason the installed a dip stick rather than a sight glass... grrrr) pain in my ass

The US bike is only down 5-6 at peak compared to the Euro bike a 50 dollar IRC from dyno jet fixes that problem it also puts it right in line in terms of peak HP with the zx10. I think what makes the bike so quick is the mid range its just insane compared to other liter bikes. The graph Kruz posted shows a 13 hp advantage at peak for the 08 but look at hp advantage from 7k and the tq difference from 6k on those two advantages alone are more impressive than the 13hp peak. Combined with the 17lbs the 08 lost compared to the 07 makes for a big performance gap between the two bikes. In stock forum my 08 cbr shocked the hell out of me after owning a zx14 with a PC,no flies and yoshi slip ons it was just flat out quicker than the zx14 once the bikes were moving. I have a dyno jet IRC,Power commander with Auto Tune,BMC filter,Vortex rearsets and a slip-on on the bike now it’s just crazy. Place an 08 next to the 07 CBR or any other liter bike minus the RSV4 and it looks like a small 600. I'll admit it has a face only a blind mother could love but if you want more total performance you'll need to pony up 17k for a loaded BMW S1000rr which still posted slower lap times in many publications than the CBR1K. Mine started burning oil after I started doing trackdays on it after four days in the summer heat with the bike on the limiter who knows how many times in 2,3 and 4 it burned about 1/3 of a liter. I simply change it and move on in my book thats simply not worth worrying about considering the abuse the motor is getting. Oh and whoever decide to put a dip stick instead of a sight glass should be kicked in the balls.

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 9/2/2010 @ 7:23 PM *

Oh and whoever decide to put a dip stick insread of a sight glass should be kicked in the balls.

LOL-- The sight glasses are kind of touchy to read but yeah, if you have anything but old black oil, a dipstick is a nightmare.

In any case I've found that the only time to get a reliable reading on the oil level is after the engine has cooled off to air temp and after all the oil has drained down out of the top engine. On the 14, that is an 8-9 hour job. Might as well wait until morning to check oil.

Regardless of what the manufacturer says, if you check when the oil is warm/hot without letting it all drain down, there are too many variables. The reading can be off by quite a bit but it should be most consistent on a cold engine. JMHO

* Last updated by: Rook on 9/2/2010 @ 7:33 PM *