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Created on: 02/22/10 05:40 PM

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worroll



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ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/22/10 5:40 PM

I got my 2006 ZX14 with 700 miles on it, engine all stock. It currently has around 6000 miles. Since I got it the computer displayed MPG would be mid-high 30's, and even into the low forties when I would let my dad ride it (he likes the speed limit). Which is on par with what it should be getting. However actual calculated mileage is about 28mpg. This has done this since I got it.
I took a long day trip with my dad once and our odometers matched, his FJR got around 50mpg, and me following him got 28, although dash said I averaged alot higher, somewhere in the upper 30's. That was riding very conservatively and easy on the gas.
Something is wrong!
I don't know how exactly it measures fuel consumption? Does it base it off of fuel injector cycles or is there a inline flow meter?
I pulled the gas tank and doesn't appear to be any leaks.
One thing that seems odd, after a long ride sometimes when I pull into a gas station and open the fuel door I hear a depressurization sound. I'm not sure how the tank vent is suppose to work? maybe it's not venting and pulling a vacuum inside the gas tank and messing something up?
It seems to run fine, but with 187HP, if it was missing a few I don't think I would notice!

Any thoughts?

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/22/10 7:47 PM

hmmmm.... the dash mileage might not be 100% accurate, but off 10mpg?? The one on my fathers FJR is always accurate to 1 MPH, and the review I read about the ZX14 showed the dash reading to be accurate. If it was just bad mileage I'd think about those things, but bad mileage plus the computer reading not matching, something ain't right.
It looks like the computer does calculate mileage based on the injector cycles (opening time.) I'm gonna take a look at fuel pressure.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/22/10 9:04 PM

The MPG trip computer does not use engine vacuum to measure fuel consumption. It calculates injector opening times and measures fuel consumption based on that. If fuel pressure is too high, but not necessarily high enough to cause running problems, the computer would think the injectors are flowing less than they really are, resulting in poor gas mileage and the trip computer to be inaccurate. This may not be my problem, but it would make sense.
The old "economy gauges" in some cars used vacuum reading to show instant economy, but in no way could be converted to a MPG value.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/23/10 12:52 AM

Mine was climbing and dropping even though my riding style was not changing.I reset the avg.MPG display after I got out on the open road(while I was moving)-so it wouldn't be reading stop and go.It first jumped immediately to like 39 MPG-I thought"awesome".As I cruised for a bit,she began steadily dropping till she hit the "bottom" of the calculations-33 MPG.And stayed there.I called my map builder-told him what was going on.He readjusted my map for better economy-but his first question after I explained what was happening was "What's your air temperature there now?"I said-about 30 degrees.He said-"that's what's causing this".After readjusting my map,I rode it in the same way,and the same temps-she did increase mileage by around 2-4 MPG.And has stayed there since(although I can squeeze 37 out for short periods of running if I concentrate on my throttle use and being in the correct RPM range).It is now around 30 degrees steady each day-but he said when it begins to warm some,expect better mileage with my map.Okay-will do.Maybe that's why your mileage is dropping some?Temperature?During the summer months I was routinely pulling in 37,38 mpg(aggressive riding).My air filter is clean,and I've run injector cleaner though her also.I think my guage is pretty close actually.


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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/23/10 6:36 PM

Worrol,
I don't know if it will be of any help but, I've got an '08, custom mapped, (PCV set @ 13.2) and my bikes gauge is very accurate. The last two tanks were 33.1 MPG (gauge showed 33.3) and 33.0 (gauge showed 33.1) This is with 4 high speed 1/2 mile runs on one tank and 2 high speed runs on the last tank. Other than that, I could not have rode any more conservative. The best milage I've ever got. (boring) Usually I get 27-29 MPG. I weigh 160 lbs., +2 (43) gearing, GPS calibrated (speedhealer), 34/36 psi in tires. I have to agree with you that if your gauge is off by 10MPG, something is not right.(with the gauge) Though, if your bike runs like a bat out of hell, just enjoy it. Other than the MPG readout being wrong, it sounds like you really like the way she runs?



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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/24/10 1:27 PM

One way to resolve the avg mileage shock effect.....set yer LCD to "instantaneous".You'll be happy watchin your mileage climb to 50,60,and of course,not so happy watchin it go to 22-26.It will give ya a nice read though on just how yer throttle inputs affect overall mileage.Any aggressive gearing is gonna lower your fuel mileage-that's my experience anyway.It can't help it-with lower gearing,the fun factor climbs-and the mileage Drops!!!!Unfortunately,there are as many variables as there are riders when it comes to "fuel use" figures.But it would be interesting to have a poll about1)temperatures during riding.2)Use of throttle-hard,minimal,cruise.3)weight of rider.Engine mods(pipes,maps,stock).4)Gearing.5)"normal" as opposed to "aggressive" riding style throughout any given ride.6)Miles on the clock,and oil type and weight-syn,or dino.Lastly,7)fuel grade and brand.


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worroll



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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/24/10 7:36 PM

So I researched how the mileage computer works. It calculates fuel consumption based on injector opening. The computer knows how much fuel will be flowing thru an injector at any given duty cycle, so it knows how much fuel is going into the engine. Calculate this with the speed sensor, and you end up with a very accurate MPG value. This measurement is completely independent from issues with the bike - tire pressure/rider size/engine condition. It is a direct measurement of fuel flowing into the engine.
If the reading on the dash is significantly different from calculated odometer divided by gallons used, then there are the following possibilities I can think of-
More fuel is flowing thru the injectors than the computer thinks. Leaky/defect injector or excessive fuel pressure.
Or a fuel leak.

I rigged up my fuel gauge to the pump and it is producing 46 PSI. The spec is 44 PSI, but does not have a tolerance shown. Is 46 PSI excessive or within a normal range?

I have not pressure checked the fuel rails/injectors yet, that will be for tomorrow.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/25/10 4:44 PM

I should have specified the pressure reading was the gauge hooked directly to the pump output, so it did not test running pressure or injector/line/rail leakage. It only measured static pressure.

Adding a few PSI would not be like free hot rodding. Without re-mapping it to compensate it would just make things richer(maybe that's what somebody wants, but then just remap it richer). And after remapping it, it will have zero effect. It would only allow for a higher HP potential from the engine if you were too modify other things.

Bike has run the same and got the same mileage since I got it. The bike runs good, but I've never ridden another ZX14, so I have no comparison. Is idle smooth? I guess so, but my other bikes are a single cylinder KLR650, a 1100cc single pin crank honda cruiser, and a old CB750. So for me smooth idle is relative. It is smoother than the other bikes, but I'd say my FZ6 (sold) was smoother at idle. Reality is if my ZX is running not so good and is only making 160HP, I may never notice, cause that is still A LOT of power.

Nowhere did I say the speed sensor was used for fuel trim. The ECU knows how much fuel is flowing thru the injector because it is telling the injector to open. It uses the speed sensor only to know distance traveled so it can calculate miles per gallon.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/25/10 6:18 PM

"I heard a depressurization"....are you SURE it was a vacuum?My tank routinely will vent fuel vapors on long rides when I stop for fuel.I turn the key,crack the cap,"psssssshhhh"sound comes out.It's traveling OUTWARD,not inward.The engine gets quite warm,and that tank is right on top!Mine will also whistle at times when she's sitting for a break.Your situation sounds completely NORMAL to me.If she is getting a vacuum-that's BAD.I'd check your vent tubes and overflow.California Model?It's possible that you had some fuel at one time flow into the Canister.If that happened,you could get that "circuit" gummed up.The manual does mention that-and recommends replacing the canister if that occurs.How about your Air Filter-clean?You could always try running "gumout maximum" through TWO tanks of fuel.See if that might help.Could be all that's going on.How's your timing-okay?any aftermarket advancers on there?

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/25/10 7:24 PM

It maybe air coming out, i was never paying enough attention to it. I did check all the tank vent system, and everything is A-OK.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/25/10 8:22 PM

She's a fairly new bike...IMO,still breaking in.Your mileage is gonna go up with time.I didn't ask,but you are running stock gearing,yes?And your chain is properly adjusted?Not too tight?And also,secondaries still in and stock configuration?The stock maps are a bit rich with these(I have heard).I think you'll do better as time goes along,and also maybe think about getting a PCIII and a good remap.Your dad is STILL pulling down 40 MPG with your bike?If so-you actually have one of the higher MPG bikes!!!!I'd be VERY happy with 40 MPG!!!How's the soot situation at the exhaust?Thick,or what?


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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/25/10 9:03 PM

Blue, 6000 miles is past break-in. My dad didn't actually get 40 mpg, the dashboard said he did, in reality, it was less.
Engine is stock. If it was simply poor mileage I would be looking at the things listed. But poor mileage that is not matching the dash readout for MPG, that points to fuel issues.

"Now, how do they calc how many times you sit there warming up a bike then the mileage is off at the dash vs. fuel full?"
Divide by zero, uses some fancy calculus to do it. For that instant MPG approaches infinity. It still measures and records how much fuel was used just sitting there to apply to the average MPG.

The float arm has nothing to do with measuring MPG. It may be used in the "Range" function, but that is irrelevant.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/25/10 9:20 PM

Well...I've no idea what's going on with yer baby.Perhaps do this.Take er and fill er up ALL THE WAY to filler neck,and squeeze some more in there till it touches to bottom of the cap(which'll bring it into the filler neck of course).Then ride conservatively as you would with your Dad.Run the whole tank down till it flashes "empty".You'll have .8 gallons of fuel left at that point.Check your mileage-see what it is.Just a thought-probably kinda dumb but that's what I would do just for the heck of it.Maybe then divide the mileage by gallons?Ya?.See what ya get?I know-basic stuff.I'm simple like that!I'm gettin around 33,35,37(sometimes).28 is a NO GO for me.I don't see 28.But I have dropped as low as 29 a couple of times.Ya,kinda alarming.But I regeared to stock,and had my map guy re-adjust my map-and she's now up around the 35,36 avg.So I'm okay with that(I do blast quite often).No secondaries,TiForce slipons.Stock air filter.4 degree advance.


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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 2:33 AM

worroll - When I fill my tank I tend to over fill it squeeze every drop I can in , as it may be a long run between stations. This is what I get
Fuel gauge , stays full for a long time and is not proportional to distance traveled will have less than half in tank and read 3/4 full, shows Nealy empty for the rest of the tank and then your onto reserve which works correctly.
Distance to empty when full will not move for the first 30/40 minutes of riding but is then very accurate.
Fuel consumption 15.5 klms/liter approx ,by the end of the tank its very accurate
Total distance traveled by the end of the tank is also very accurate covering the whole of the tank.
Don't know were all the information comes from but I doubt we are the only ones with suspect readings

Distance to empty is very accurate and is all I tend to use, 2008 model
I also had a FJR great bike, when you and your dad filled up did you compare liters used and distance traveled

The pressure in the tank may effect your reading, my display behaves differently when I don't over fill.????
What do you think Hub, could it????????

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 5:37 AM

Hub, I just woke up and have to run off to work, so I was only able to glance over your reply. But, I think we have a bit of bad communication. When I say speed sensor, I am referring to the bike's speed sensor (MPH) not the engine speed sensor (RPM).

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 6:39 AM

ECU knows Ib/hr of injector flow rate, which could be rated at gallons per hour. Vehicle speed sensor tell the ECU Miles per hour. Set X G/H = Y M/H. Multiply away the H. Divide out the G, divide out the X, and you get Y/X = M/G.
Still has original tires, they are in need of replacement, mileage has not been noticably effected since they were new till now.

Odometer has been checked against the FJR, and against highway mile markers.
Because of the odd shape of the tank, the top part is not measured by the float arm.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 3:31 PM

44 pounds per hour is not the X. so say we have 44 lb/hr injectors, but the ECU is running them at 20% duty cycle, the ECU knows they are flowing 8.8 Ib/hr, if the ECU runs them at 50% duty cycle, then they are flowing 22 Ib/hr. It flows this amount for however many milliseconds it does during the intake strokes, and for each cylinder. The ECU knows the duty cycle and how long it runs them at that duty cycle, because it is telling them to do that (based on TPS, RPM, and the other sensors). That is the fuel consumption.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 8:04 PM

hhmmm... I'm not really sure where you are at. Do you know what duty cycle is?


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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 8:52 PM

This is very informative.Just a tad offbeat here-but can anyone tell me HOW a stator(as on our bikes)could cause higher or lower fuel mileage?Honestly-I'm curious what's up with that?Any truth to it?I do have a reason for asking,but I'll wait till I get some input first.This is VERY interesting.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/26/10 10:58 PM

The reason I asked about the stator is because I've been running my day rides since before Christmas-so it's been VERY cold out=25,30, 35.Jeffo said because of the cold air,my bike is going to loose some mileage(it's a Winter map-although he didn't expect me to be riding at 30 degrees!...he was a tad surprised about that.Plus windchill-so it was(is)some amount BELOW indicated outside temps.).Okay-but also,I've been using my HEATED GEAR(gloves,pant liners,jacket liners) for these rides,and someone said something about if our stators weren't "designed the way they were"(I think that's what they said)...something along those lines-we would get better fuel mileage.I know NOTHING about stators.But I was intrigued about the guys statement.ANY possible way that the "extra" load on my electrical system could cause a change in indicated "avg" mileage?I mean,not electrically,(dash display)or speedwise as you said-but?When I display the VOLTAGE while riding with my gear,it actually shows 14+.I'm assuming because of the extra load?It usually will display 13.5 or thereabout-up to 14"sometimes".Jeff adjusted my map a week or so ago,and she gained a few MPG.So now she's holding steady at the same displayed mileage(which she wasn't doing before this-adding throttle would almost IMMEDIATELY cause a drop,then backing out back to cruise,it would climb back up to where it was).Even with serious accelerations and "higher" speed cruising(80,90)she is now NOT dropping like before.So I'm NOT losing any mileage at this time,and it does increase if I ride more conservatively(but goes back to the displayed amount as it is now-33.2.Any thoughts on this?Today,I filled up as I always do-past the cap lock plate,right up to the top(almost).I rode from here to one of my destinations-a good 70 miles at least.If I'm pulling down 33 MPG,and I've got a "5" gallon tank(not counting reserve)-well-it didn't display a drop in the fuel guage like it normally would have for that amount of miles.(and I am taking into consideration the "extra"fuel in the filler neck and such)...it just seemed like it got quite a few more MPG today than ever before.It actually didn't display a drop in FUEL amount until I got half way to my NEXT destination(60 miles away)-which is quite close to a combined mileage of 120 miles.It also was NOT quite as cold out today as it has been.


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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
02/27/10 5:54 AM

Please let me know your definition of duty cycle.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
03/01/10 3:43 PM

I would say that is close, although with English being your second language, I'm not sure with your translation.

When the injectors are fired a signal is sent at a certain frequency to turn them on an off rapidly. The percentage of time that they are on vs. the total time of the signal is the duty cycle. So if we have 40 Ib/hr fuel injectors (rated at 100% duty cycle) and they are being run at 50% duty cycle then they will be flowing 20 Ib/hr during the duration of the signal. During the signal they are in an on state for 50% of the time.

The ECU uses the TPS, barometric pressure, air temperature, etc, to determine how much fuel the engine needs, runs some calculations and determines the duty cycle to provide the engine with the correct amount of fuel.
Yes the 44 PSI is constant. It is the flow rate of the injections that are controlled by the ECU.

My point with the duty cycle is that the ECU knows at any given time how much fuel is going into the engine, because it is telling the injectors to send it. The ECU knows fuel consumption at any time. The ECU also knows vehicle speed and distance traveled from the vehicle speed sensor. That is the ONLY 2 variables needed to calculate gas mileage. Fuel used vs distance traveled.

Therefore if the rider calculated mileage(from odometer/fuel used from tank) is off significantly from what the dashboard says, then the fuel system is either leaking fuel or the injectors are flowing more fuel than the ECU is telling them to. Either due to increased fuel pressure or a faulty injector.


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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
03/01/10 9:15 PM

Are you messing with me? Maybe it is your poor english, but nothing in what you just typed makes sense or is accurate. You have zero understanding of fuel injection systems. You seem to me mixing carburetor theory into fuel injection. You also don't understand A/F ratio.

"Duty cycle is a constant. Depends how fast the same action occurs at what crank speed. You as a human cannot keep up with 25,000 rpm, unless you slow down the speed that remains a constant. If it took you as slow as an hour to turn the crank a full 360° to close that intake valve and the compression was next, it would still hold the 1Atmo. Fuel sets the ratio but the liquid displaces the air. Same [constant] balance of volume closes on the stroke. Fuel blend calls the lambda, (rich or lean) for example."
Still hold 1 atmo? This is confusing pressure with volume. The cylinder sucks in a volume of air, combined with pressure equals a mass of air. The throttle position and volumetric efficiency of the engine determine how much air enters the engine.

"I think I will take a guess at 2(?) variables. Those might be: Crank Speed (360° per hour mismatched the..). Rear wheel circumference size is (final wheel ratio turned so many revolutions per mile, divided by the crank minutes 360). You would have to count how many times that crank tuned vs. miles traveled by counting the rear wheel and it's turns of 360°

This has simply nothing to do with anything.

"You traveled zero feet idling at a light as the gas is not applied to feet moved per 360° turns of the crank or the ratio of the transmission's gear it is in. So, add a 3rd variable and that is the gear ratio throwing the 1 to 1 ratio (2 variables), shows you how many turns of the crank it would take to turn the wheel's circumference once. Set the gear box in the middle and it sets a 3rd ratio from wheel turned to crank turns."

Sitting at a light MPG would be zero mpg. I think I may have misstated that in a previous post. Zero mile/x gallon. So for that instant it would be 0 mpg, but the computer knows how much fuel was used while idling and can figure that into the average MPG over a time period.

"Nature fills a void no more and no less to 14.7 psi or the [1Atmo] is the same number, same abstract. If we watch the A/F ratio at idle, it might show 14.7 A/F. If we cruise or rev the engine and sustain that rpm, the fuel ratio reads 14.7 psi."

A/F is based on mass not pressure. 14.7 A/F is the ratio of mass of air to fuel. It is only a coincidence that atmospheric pressure is 14.7 PSI.

"So if that engine is showing the 1Atmo at any speed, is that not the same fuel trim from idle to mid to WOT I'm trying to say is the cylinder bore, cam timing, ignition timing, ambient, air pressure did not change. Only change made is how fast the same 1Atmo neutralized back from that vacuum suck."

Volumetric efficiency of the engine at different RPM's and throttle opening will change the amount of air that will enter the engine. Therefore it will need different amounts of fuel to maintain 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel.

"Therefore, if there is no push of ram air @28psi, no pull of 28 pounds that would double in pounds to over ride the 1Atmo so once that 14.7 is there, then another 14.7 can push/pull more than 14.7 psi. But this is a normally aspirated engine sucking on it's own volume."

Volumetric efficiency of the engine at different RPM's and throttle opening will change the amount of air that will enter the engine. Therefore it will need different amounts of fuel to maintain 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel.

"If you have a slipping clutch, how can you cut a duty cycle if that cylinder is a constant? 1/2 a duty cycle says to cut the fuel in half? Did you re-sleeve the cylinder down by half itself so 50% is now equal to that same 1Atmo reads 14.7 A/Fratio? Would that not be a lean condition we kept the bore the same? Air did not change being sucked in, so to equal that chamber before the valve closes we send in the same amount only slow or faster is the duty cycle matching crank speed."

Volumetric efficiency of the engine at different RPM's and throttle opening will change the amount of air that will enter the engine. Therefore it will need different amounts of fuel to maintain 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel.

"But the variable of the constant. The variable of a slipping clutch. The variable of your complaint now, when you said that this started to come up on a worn tire. Would you agree there are two ratios if the diameters of each tire were different? Would we not compute two different numbers? We roll both wheels, would not the one tire roll farther? If we have a constant that did not change is the duty ratio. We have a final ratio that is the wheel ratio that did change."

What's the tread depth of the stock tire? Do the math and see how that will effect odometer mileage over say 140 miles, and then how much that will actually have on gas mileage computations. Then suggest that.

"No matter how you speak the hubbish explaining a solid, liquid, or gas and all that rubbish in between [and] in the raw learning curve of it all; you begin to speak the abstract. You cannot get out of that loop you created to make sense. Somehow, you watch each leg [in the ECU move one switch or leg 010101 communicate a step one after the other is haulegspeedingetit?"

The hubbish only explained that he has no understanding of fluid dynamics or fuel injection.

Do yourself a favor and read the following article http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/0607mmfp_ford_efi_system_tuning/index.html

It is about early Ford Mustang fuel injection, but is a speed density system like our bike. It is the best and most comprehensive explanation of fuel injection systems I've found.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
03/02/10 9:37 AM

I'll get back to replying to this later today, but could you post a link to your 'videos'.

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RE: ZX14 actual MPG way lower than computer displayed? whats wrong?
03/02/10 3:52 PM

Honestly I really don't know where to begin replying to this...

Everything you are saying either does not make sense or is completely wrong. You do not understand basic concepts and therefore it is impossible to communicate with you. I've read thru some of your other posts, and you seem to know a good amount of things, but your understanding of how the engine actually works is not there.

At first I thought English was your second language, so I tried to communicate with you. But it appears that you choose to type in ridiculous pseudo-cryptic language for whatever reason, maybe you watched Star Wars too many times and want to feel like Master Yoda, or maybe you have no actual understanding of what you think you know, so you just ramble nonsense, throw in a few catch phrases and big words.

Hub, you are a grown man. It is time to act like a big boy and use your words and at least close to proper English. You don't come across cryptic, mysterious, or wise.

But please post up your video. Maybe it will clarify what you are trying to say with engine vacuum.

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