Yea, Vista doesn't have good drivers for sound. Even the Hi-Def drivers for the realteck chips are not very good. Can you find all the drivers you'd need for your Toshiba to run XP? Might be worth it to downgrade. Just have LOT'S and LOT'S of time in install it. It took 20 hours to install XP and download all the updates on that Dell. Granted it had to download service pack 1, 2, and 3. But 20 hours!!!

Bud wrote:

:....He owns a CBR1000 and he wants everyone to tell him the R1 is not as good as the CBR. He needs to grow a pair and be a man. If he wants to own a CBR, then he should be proud of it and not give a f~ck about what we think.

I'm sorry you feel that way Bud but I don't understand where all the animosity is coming from, I've always tried to treat your opinions with respect. I don't think the CBR is better than anything else, as always it comes down to the rider and his ability. I'm absolutely sure Ben Spies could show most of us the quick way around the track riding a 125. I simply reported what the findings of one magazine were, as with any comparison it represents only their opinion. To my way of thinking there is no one best bike for everyone, they're all good and better than most of us could ever hope to utilize. The one that works the best for you is............the best for you!

Peace bro!

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 5/1/2009 @ 7:24 AM *

[size=200]Bgordon wrote:

"As far as I'm concerned, Kruz can post anything he wants anywhere he wants. His posts are some of the most interesting and informative that we have, and I greatly value his participation here."

"Thanks for the encouragement Bill!"

Kruz [/size]

Kruz,
Until you come out to ride with me again... you can post this crap in the who gives a damn forum!

hey kruz! why dont you un-ass that computer desk and get out and ride? burger run to east texas. next thursday. be there or be square.

then, after the ride, you can Postulate and Pontificate on the R1 all you want.

(kicks desk... cusses kruz for not bringing new bike over... cusses kruz again for GP)

Bud wrote:

:....He owns a CBR1000 and he wants everyone to tell him the R1 is not as good as the CBR. He needs to grow a pair and be a man. If he wants to own a CBR, then he should be proud of it and not give a f~ck about what we think.

I'm sorry you feel that way Bud but I don't understand where all the animosity is coming from, I've always tried to treat your opinions with respect. I don't think the CBR is better than anything else, as always it comes down to the rider and his ability. I'm absolutely sure Ben Spies could show most of us the quick way around the track riding a 125. I simply reported what the findings of one magazine were, as with any comparison it represents only their opinion. To my way of thinking there is no one best bike for everyone, they're all good and better than most of us could ever hope to utilize. The one that works the best for you is............the best for you!

John,

I got no problem with you. Other then the fact that your not smart enough to know this is in the wrong section. I totally disagree with BG on this one. This should be moved.....NOW! So we just hijacked it. Now it's about laptops and Vista. So, do you have Vista or XP on your laptop?

Yea, Vista doesn't have good drivers for sound. Even the Hi-Def drivers for the realteck chips are not very good. Can you find all the drivers you'd need for your Toshiba to run XP? Might be worth it to downgrade. Just have LOT'S and LOT'S of time in install it. It took 20 hours to install XP and download all the updates on that Dell. Granted it had to download service pack 1, 2, and 3. But 20 hours!!!

Phil,

There are very high end sound cards available now (they're not called sound cards). One is called Serato (made by Rane), the other is called Traktor. Both plug into the laptop USB. I plug my turntables into it and it into my mixer. I can control two different MP3's playing at the same time with my turntables. It's very cool, easy to use and sounds great. The only problem, they cost way more then a laptop (list price $750.00).

Now it's about laptops and Vista. So, do you have Vista or XP on your laptop?

OK, I'll play along. Vista is such a total piece of horsepuckey that just using the word in a forum about the most awesome motorcycle on the planet is painful to see.

I dunno how Microsoft gets away with this crap. Not only do they survive, but they thrive. They took over the desktop operating system market with Windows when there was a far superior alternative (OS/2). They took over the network server operating system market when there was a far superior alternative (NetWare). They took over the word processing market when there was a far superior alternative (WordPerfect). They took over the web browser market with Internet Explorer when there was a far superior alternative (Netscape). And on and on...

How does this happen? Because the masses are just a bunch of stupid sheep that just run together in a herd without giving much thought to where they are going. (Why do I keep thinking "Obama" when I say this?)

Now we have no choice but to work with Microsoft's junk because they've driven all of their competitors out of business... -bg

* Last updated by: bgordon on 5/1/2009 @ 8:30 AM *

Firecombs wrote:

Kruz,
Until you come out to ride with me again... you can post this crap in the who gives a damn forum!

hey kruz! why dont you un-ass that computer desk and get out and ride? burger run to east texas. next thursday. be there or be square.

then, after the ride, you can Postulate and Pontificate on the R1 all you want.

(kicks desk... cusses kruz for not bringing new bike over... cusses kruz again for GP)

He he, where have you been hiding big guy? I will come over for a ride but you know I gotta work M - F. If you can do it over the weekend, Saturday or Sunday works for me, I'm on. By the way, this thread's been hijacked so we can talk about anything we like. Did Bud ever buy another motorcycle?

Kruz

OK, I'll play along. Vista is such a total piece of horsepuckey that just using the word in a forum about the most awesome motorcycle on the planet is painful to see.

My point exactly B.G. Why post about R-1's in the general ZX-14 section? Didn't you included a section called "Other Bikes (not ZX-14s)" just for information like this? As you say traffic might be low in that section. But I can not help but feel there is a reason. More people want to read about the ZX-14, on a ZX-14 site.

Mozilla and Linux you rebel you. By the way, with the exceptions of better TV picture and sleep mode, I like XP far better!! I just hate Microsoft forces us to update to their newest O/P by stopping support verses actually coming out with a better product. I just hope 7 is better!!!

* Last updated by: Philhnnss on 5/1/2009 @ 11:44 AM *

Bill, if it's going to generate this much flak I'd go ahead and move it.

Kruz

Bill, if it's going to generate this much flak I'd go ahead and move it.

Done. -bg

It's like a wall of worry. I am on Bud'side and asked bg for this section with Bud in mind. It is more like sheep, I mycrapsoft myself to sleep; throw up my hands; let people do what they want; kick my shoes off; it's the old place again is Bud is barking the tune is 14 only.

I tired to play micolasoft monopoly my way is 'report dis error is send?' Yes, I figured I send that to the head office, it goes to the dump steer anyway. They know it's a big ship to navigate and C++ is learn in 24 hours wit CD. Now you can be bill gates to heavens of cash waiting and sheep shit is hold on.... I have a bug.

Mouse is not working is the monitor went blank. I think the keyboard is nex

Well, as long as everybody's happy now... Sheesh! -bg

Hub, what's the story on the cross plane crank motor in the new R1, down on HP compared to the udders and up on wait? Dat's watt I here....say it ain't sew! Now that we've ditched Bud we can get down to the budiness of talkin tech hear. Hears my take, Yama needed a gimmick, they were falling behind in the repli-racer wars. Is the crossplane configuration better? Rossi won on it but then again Rossi could win riding a wheelbarrow. J/K but MotoGP is 90% rider and 10% bike or sew Ive herd. The hype talk sez better connexion between throttle and rear tire. Sounds very subjective 2 me, kinda like traxion control...sum like it sum not sew much...depends on the rider. Dares a lot of hype out dare rite now on this new tech but time will tell. Watt duz Hub say?

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 5/1/2009 @ 2:27 PM *

Kruz:

Pretty strange to see you write a message in Hub-speak. Great fun! -bg

Ha ha, I still haven't mastered Hubanese butt I'm trying! Here's the second report I've read on the '09 Liter shootouts. I won't tell U who won cause everyone'll think I'm biased....specially Bud. I'm not though, the 08/09 Hondas are definitely world beatin scooters but I couldn't get into the looks..except for the Repsol version. When I get done with the planned mods on the '07, full Akropovic Race, PCIII and a custom map I'll have all I need anyway.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2009-literbike-shootout-88218.html?page=4

J/K ...... I better not rile 'ol Bud up or he might blow a head gasket!

Bud are you there?

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 5/1/2009 @ 2:57 PM *

Oh, he's here all right. He just started an off-topic thread in the General ZX-14 section <grin>... -bg

Kruz I always appreciate your posts. Hell they are alot better than mine. I would agree the 09 R1 is nowhere near as nice looking as the earlier models.

Hey Kruz,
Before long, we need to hook up and go for a ride.
We can swap bikes and do our own Honda/Yamaha comparo test just for shits and giggles! :)
We can both draw our own conclusions without the prejudice of the motorcycle ad sponsored magazines!
It is good to have this (mature) forum to post on and I am really glad to see old familiar names on the board.

Maybe we can get a Tejas ride together of board members before it gets too damn hot here.

Anyway, its good to see your name and posts on the board and it looks like you are doing well in your Dallas airplane gig!
Good on ya and peace! :)

hamr56,
you need to see an new R1 in person before you say that it does not lookg as good as earlier models. I think that it looks more agressive and when the bike has the hideous stock cans removed, she looks real good. Something that this model has that I am impressed with is one turn quick fasteners to disassemble the fairing for service. I am not sure whether or not other R1's/R6's had that feature but it is nice. SPinning that T-handle on the 14 to remove plastics is a pain in the ass. Fit and finish is supurb and I encourage you to go see one in person.
THe look may grow on you. When the 07 Honda first came out, I thought it was ugly but it now looks real nice.
I know the saying about opinions but this is a really sexy looking ride up close.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/540/Motorcycle-Video/2009-Daytona-Bike-Week-Day-3.aspx I brought a little entertainment for you all. It says, Welcome "Cody" and Vinny aerial dis ease on over to that bird bike and the cabbage patch dolls is hook Rotty up with one is eat her veggies afta-afta the match.

I am looking at a 360° cycle. No matter if you 90° the opposed crank like a GL or Bmw; no matter if is a V-4/Square-4/V-10/V-12/Straight 6/Slant 6/Flat/V-8/Otto-My-Ride/360° = Rider is 99% of the brand name in front.

Bubba = Jumped from Kawi to Yam = Wins/Wins
Rossi = Jumps on any bike = Wins
Mike The Bike = Comes out of retirement ~ Jumps on bike = Wins

Conclusion - I wanna Hub a Crossplane. WOT/WATThe heck... It sounds/looks compact with a shift rod to bend like a pretzel = I'd try a taste of engineering pie.

It looks to me like an engineer's dream. Squeeze that bike pea tea titty/titty/bang/bang no matter how you fire the Otto = 360° I wanna small bike with lots of bang/bang = Power to weight Ratio. I had a Yam 600 single. Remember that kick only single cylinder? Fit me like a glove at 6'2" and that was a small bike.

Like Kruz said, it's rider/rider/rider that sets the product, OutFrontFirst. If they [the rags] are setting the bike in 4th place, it means they missed the, "Underground."

And I will place guys like Chris Ulrich and the other guys at Cycle World on that list as they are on the road and see the water runoff. But to explain the pitch of the sub and the pitch of the WATT as opposed to the WOT I think they see is the pitch of the runoff is why the road is pitch and the tires wear to the right if you head west as opposed to the east side that will wear your tire to the inside. < [Yes, I called some guy explaining why the tire is worn on the right side more then the center was the pitch of the road and yes, I said, "stretch" was his theory]. I am more trying to relay as far as an unbiased look at the engineering.

They are missing something in that ride and I could find out in 200 feet or less what that crossplane is all about. It is going to chunk out a sound and a bump on the tire pulse X's 4 = 360° Therefore the need of the feet to find out.

Remember how lag/lazy the first year 14 was? Way back when the Busa was suppose to be such a handler and you see the 14 ahead of the Busa in that fast track [you know that video with the busa in the back with the camera mount] where it is eaten up on that long straight. So, you have a lot of opinions that miss the finer points of the engineering. That bike has a few safety features like an oil level shut off.

I am sure that was not in the brochure about the oil deal because it is like a code. And you do not show a computer backup system but rather call it a more general name like: "The 14 comes with DFI with it's 44 mm throttle bodies" or something to the effect that why bring up some code that flashes for the bike's safety that has been built-in since FI has to deal with that square wave or whatever wave [for argument sake].

So, the more square waves on the bike, the more my assfactor begins to smile wider. You get the young guns on the bike and they want fast and if it is not at that throttle out of the crate, then something went faster with a different setting on the square wave. AS IF the waves are not in both bikes?

So, I rather ride one than to read one. I read and it is more or less from their ass is they cough it out is asscoughing. Don't get any on ya. It's more the anal retentive like Krus I would rather read that you get noneonya.

Did we walk the bike quick? I did and I had to run. But what I saw I would surely rip it apart and make it my own hack job. If they are sitting on the floor and not moving because of the print, how much can you rely on that if there is a rider on that 14 that was smoking that Busa all over that track.

So, is it the bike or the rider that is missing what that bike has behind door #2. Technically, they made so many engines run forward and backward that no matter the crank throw, you go no place gain nothing with the crank configurations....

Here is one for the aircraft boys... Which puts out more HP per CI... An in line RR engine they used long ago in the "Miss Budweiser" racing boat hulls. How about that piston position of the cylinders where they follow the crank around with their own cylinders 360° = Was it the intake system or the cylinder lay out?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/F4U-4_Bu97388_front_view.jpg

Hamr56 wrote:

Kruz I always appreciate your posts. Hell they are alot better than mine. I would agree the 09 R1 is nowhere near as nice looking as the earlier models.

I appreciate that Hamr56. I guess you've noticed I'm not afraid to express my opinion! I like to be just a little bit provocative when I post, generate a little controversy, stir the pot and see what floats to the top. If we all agree on everything around here all the time it can get a tad dull. Some will like it and some won't. Yep, I can't get into the new R1, too blunt up front and too thick at the rear for my taste but a set of aftermarket pipes could fix the rear end. I'm only slightly more fond of the looks on the new CBR. Here's my take on styling, it must lead the publics taste but only by so much. Go too far, example: the ovoid, circa 1995 Ford Taurus (the one where the shape of literally everything from the windshield down to to the door handles was based on an oval) and you risk blowin it. Time will tell if the new blunt MotoGP look will catch on. It'll be intersting to see how old school styling on the '09 GSXR and ZX-10 will fare against the new wave look of the R1 and CBR when it comes to sales.

“All great things must first wear terrifying and monstrous masks in order to inscribe themselves on the hearts of humanity.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 5/4/2009 @ 9:53 AM *

HMFIC wrote:

Hey Kruz,
Before long, we need to hook up and go for a ride.
We can swap bikes and do our own Honda/Yamaha comparo test just for shits and giggles! :)
We can both draw our own conclusions without the prejudice of the motorcycle ad sponsored magazines!

Sounds good, I'd like that. Hey, don't think I'm just picking on the new R1, when I bought my 14 I thought it had the ugliest pipes ever created and it took me some time to get accustomed to the George Foreman grills. The pipes looked like enormous, chrome plated butt cans, I had to get those boat anchors off their quick but I wouldn't change the Foremans out for anything now. They make the bike. The important thing is that you like the looks of your bike, that's all that really counts.

Kruz

Brother Kruz,
I never interpreted anything other than you striking up another good conversation.
That is what keeps a board alive! :)
If no one discussed and debated, it would die.

The only thing I dont like about my R1 are those ugly freaking exhausts! Those are ugly and beleivve it or not, the temperature on your ass rises with the RPM's. I am not a fan of the undertail exhausts on any bike but the good out weighed the bad for me here.

All bullshit aside, we do need to get a Texas ride together before we hit the melting point of summer!

Peace and keep on posting!

Sounds good Jeff, post up some pics when you get your new cans on there. I went back and looked at the pics you posted earlier and it's starting to grow on me, here's your bike with the new Akropovic Evo full system on there.....nice!

Here's the curves, adds a bit on top but look at the midrange increase, that's what you'll notice.

This last curve is for my '07 with the Akro Evo system for comparison, peak hp are almost identical but the R1 has about 1000 more rpm over run on top.

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 5/5/2009 @ 8:11 AM *

Woohoo, that looks sweet!
I will be riding with the stockers for a while. The Akro full is about 2G's and I am still ouching from my insurance increase. I am in Houston, 42 and paying 1900.00 per year Insurance.
If I go to my Trinity address, it drops to 1400.00 per year. I have to pay the price for all of the dipshit squids who wreck them.
I do; however, have a plan to remove the Yamaha stickers on the bottom panel to "lighten" up the look and make mine a little different.
You really have to ride this thing in "A Mode". It is a beastie! It really performs like I thought either a Busa or 14 would...kind of "right now" and untamed power delivery.
I also need to understand the difference in HP numbers between slips ons vs. full exhausts. I have been trolling the R1 forum and I have not found out definitive information. I have seen everything from "the Euro ECU is different" to you get nothing more than 5-6 hp with an exhaust.
I really believe that a full exhaust, full map will gain closer to 10 hp at a minimum regardless of the ECU but I will have to wait. Even if there is zero HP gain, cleaning up those ugly Phuckers is on the top of my priority list. At least there is no EXUP valve to mess with in the exhaust. I never had a problem other than routine (pain in the ass maintenence) out of the one on my FZ1 but it is one less thing to deal with.
Another interesting thing with this bike is how damn hot the gas tank gets after riding. I mean that thing really warm in the lower third of the tank between your legs and the motor takes a loooong time to cool down.
Again, I am hopeful that an exhaust will help here.

Thanks for the info Mr Kruz!