I am a new member on here but only because I owned zx10s and just bought my first 14 3 months ago.I am a bigger guy and just was not comfortable on my 10 and after making 175.6rwhp on my 10 I asked my tuner what was the next step in making more power and he said buy a 14 so I did. Now the point of my post is I own a 2006 with full bolt ons and a good friend of mine just bought a new 2011 zx-10 and I must say how can Kawasaki make a liter bike that only needs a reflashed ecu from guhls in stock trim that's able to outrun my 183rwhp full bolt on 1352cc bike

Because it doesn't have 183 rwhp? Or because it is a killer whale, not a dolphin?

I dunno. There was a guy posting on here a while ago who claimed he got over 200 rwhp because of a TRE.

Besides, what is "full bolt ons" anyway? Knowing that we can offer suggestions.

I promise you, give us detailed specifications, and there are folks here with a ton of knowledge who can suggest ways to get to where you want to be.

But there is another side to this. A 2011 ZX10R will eat a ZX14 alive anywhere but at the dragstrip. Roll-ons, check. Braking, check. Cornering, check. Its lighter, very close in engine hp, and has race breeding behind it.

The ZX14 is an overweight wanna-be sportbike. KHI made a tactical and strategic error in my opinion when they brought out the ZX14 as nothing more than a response to the Hyabusa. They could have done something REALLY innovative and come out with an 1189cc screamer that weighed just a little more than a ZX10R, and made mad torque and horsepower, and handled like a dream.

They had the technology, we are seeing the results today in the coming 2012 ZX10R which KHI hopes will consistantly podium in WSB. It took a decade to deliver the tech in that bike.

So... post your actual specs and expand on "full bolt ons" and the folks here will give you excellant feedback, and help you like your whale better.

Welcome to the forum...now

injfuel wrote:

I am a bigger guy

That might have something to do with it. How big is big?

privateer wrote:

So... post your actual specs and expand on "full bolt ons" and the folks here will give you excellant feedback, and help you like your whale better.

Yup! Post up your detail...

We are here to help everyone that asks for help!

privateer; "They could have done something REALLY innovative and come out with an 1189cc screamer that weighed just a little more than a ZX10R"
You mean a ZX12R?

Try a 3 day, 1500 mile ride and decide which bike is better for what. Or drag mod the bike. Every bike is going to be better in some areas and for different uses than others. No "why", just "is". The flip side would be to ask why is the 10 so uncomfortable after 8 hrs? Or, why can't the 10 get thru the traps sooner after fully modding? Or, why is the 10 not as comfortable 2 up. The fact is, the 14 is simply a more versatile bike to live with and to ride. Kawasaki has done a pretty decent job of getting a competent model in a range of categories most haven't. Probably could use a klr renewal. The only thing(IMO)is failing to offer the 14 with abs. Kawi makes both bikes for a reason. The 14 will likely be the better mount for those who want to ride for lengthier times and distances. It is a superb long distance haul ass sport bike that needs no excuses or rationalizing.

alg8er wrote:

You mean a ZX12R

Negative,I am not referring to the ZX12R. I consider the ZX12 a major mistake, an abortion. Owned one, and liked it, but knew they went the wrong way in the evolution from the ZX11.

I am referring to what has become the Z1000 and could have been developed and sold immediately after the ZX11 and ultimately been a Z1200 today that would eat the ZX14 alive.

Why does the Z1000 sell like hotcakes? Answer that and know why I don't mean the ZX12R.

i was under the assumption that full bolt ons was self explanitory, but here we go , akrapovic evolution full exhaust carbon fiber (single can), ivans tre, k&n air filter, power commander and ignition module (ivans map for both)secodondaries removed, 17/43 gearing,and i am 5'11 and weigh 225, my friends 11 zx10 has m4 slip on pipercross filter guhls reflashed ecu and everything else is stock, and although it doesnt try to pull my arms off the handlebars like my 14 it is lightening fast and is violent

phatphil, my comparison at this point has nothing to do with anything except straightline performance , i wouldnt trade my 14 for any other bike thats why i bought it but this new zx10 blows my mind, ive been racing for long enough to know that weight on a bike is everything and the 14 is heavy and so am i but my friend clocks in at 210lbs also and i know his bike is a hundred pounds less than mine but ive got 352cc on him, the busas in 08 only picked up a little over 40cc and they picked up 20hp in return

blue07, have you raced a modded 2011 10 ?? i bet you havent, not one with an unrestricted ecu and bolt ons, if you have and you werent totally destroyed please tell me your secret

privateer, my bike has not been dynotuned it has ivans maps but is has been on a dyno after my mods it made 182.7rwhp and 109.3rwtq , the guy that owns the dyno (Dynotune Motorsports Columbus Ohio) just doesnt have the tuning experience with the 14s that i was comfortable with and i physically took my zx10 to ivan in New York and had him tune it so i trusted his maps

Hmmmm....somehow my got interpreted as racing a 10.Nope...never raced anything!Much less a fully modded 10.Nope....never even riddin a literbike!

Put a 16t counter sprocket on... will likely still be real close, but you should be able to get him... atleast from a dig... after that, you and/or the bike are gonna have to lose some weight... wheels and battery are a good place to start.

As Romans would say, FISH ON!... BTW, 10r's drove him to build a turbo 14. lol

the extra cc's are good for that low-mid range torque! The 14 makes good power at 3-4000 rpm where the 10 has to spin up first.

I wonder what would pull away 2up with fully loaded saddlebags and topcase. Having the bigger motor is just so nice and effortless. It's more than fast enough for me on the street and the extra cc's make corner to corner only a matter of twisting the wrist in many cases. Biggest problem is that there is never enough time or curvy pavement. If one cannot get enough of riding a sportbike for hours or days on end, the 14 is very, very hard to better for the $. Or possibly for any $, IMO... It'll move 2up, laden, to 130mph, merging onto freeway traffic from a standstill, simply and drama free. Maybe some bikes (basically track bikes for the street) can do quicker, but very few do as relaxed.

privateer; I meant they already tried that with the ZX12R. They attempted exactly what you described. After the mediocre results, I'm sure it will be a while before they try again, even with the new tech.

Hi, Phatphil, Kawa do offer abs on the ZZR1400 model. We have a few in SA, but I think it is more a Eurospec bike. A couple of minor cosmetic differences to the ZX14, but basically the same frame, engine etc.Cheers.

Yeah, no abs in n.a. Kawi must have figured most 14's in n.a are either getting blinged or are considered a 1/4 m race bike. And they do do that well! But what they do better, IMO, is effortlessly get ya from corner to corner in as little effort and time for hours on end like no other. What's totally cool about the bike (and I can't help thinking about it if ya haven't noticed) is how a high speed rhythm can be attained so fricken easily and relaxing. All in complete composure. Abs would be icing to give just that little extra and maybe to give me some more rationale that my last ride was safer (cause it totally felt like it) than reality. I wish everyone was able to wick up a 14 on mountain twisties with the same non drama. I'm convinced it would make any speeds safer. But that ain't goinna happen. So I just continue dreaming and envy those with an abs equipped 14. You lucky bastard!

* Last updated by: phatphil on 9/26/2011 @ 5:38 PM *

Get a custom tune done. I was running Ivan's map for quite some time and was very happy with it, especially the price. I spent the $300 to have a custom tune done and it was night and day in response. How did you come up with the figure of 183 RWHP? Did you put your bike on a Dyno and not have a custom map made?
16t sprocket makes a HUGE difference. I am a bigger guy also (235ish) and the 16t made a nice difference

Yes was on a Dyno but I didn't change the map ivan sent me a/f was real close and bike performs flawlessly and tuner didn't believe he could improve it much if at all, the bike runs like it should, the 10s just too light , I rode it finally, it was quick but had no torque and rode way rougher than my 14, I will just have to pick up the new 14 im certain its gonna be way faster

I've got the new ZX-10R and an '06 ZX-14 with your same Ivan mods. 14 has way more torque, the 10R doesn't even start to feel fast until 11,000 rpm. The 10R is light though and flicakble. On a long ride I take the 14, way more comfortble and handles the twisties well enough.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/27/2011 @ 12:44 PM *

BTW, 10r's drove him to build a turbo 14. lol

And don't take a Run at a CBR1000RR in his sweet spot or you will get your Ass handed to you lol. Wicked Mid rage power, Wicked.