For those of you that have had it done, how big of a difference does the Cblast flash really make?
My bike is a 2008 with K&N air filter and D&D slip ons. 15,200 miles.
Thanks for any feedback.

Convince you? No. I will encourage you to look a little harder. There are plenty of Cblast threads within 1 page from the top or several sections. Theres even a sticky on top of this page in which you posted in. All the info is in there.

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I will find out soon and will let everyone know...and I will tell it like it is

Never mind folks, I am probably not going to sink any extra money into this bike.
I really like the ZX-14, but the bike I really want is a Hayabusa.

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Update 08-13-14: Pay no attention to my crazy comment above.
My ZX-14 is an awesome bike that gets better with every ride.
The power is amazing and it's better looking than a Hayabusa.
I will probably have to get cblasted before too long.

* Last updated by: Silverback61 on 8/13/2014 @ 7:47 PM *

It's a fair question. Mods results on street bikes are mostly based on subjectivity. It's really just based on how the rider feels and perceives any changes as compared to actual measurable results. Even dyno results are subjected to the dyno configuration and technician running it. Considering someone pays for an upgrade, expecting that upgrade to make the bike bigger, stronger, faster, even if real world change is minor there would be some placebo effect.

Quite honestly I can't really see why anyone would really need the 14 to be any faster (accelerating) on the street ( 3hp anyway). Mine drives and operates great. It's pretty smooth. Sometimes while accelerating I hit a bump it causes a stutter (like once every 130 miles...and it feels more like drive line lash than throttle) Other than that, throttle control is precise and smooth. Other than subjective judgment, I'm not really sure how much smoother it could be, or that it would make any difference.

The reality is pipes/carb/injection work don't always make a bike faster accelerating, even if the rider perceives it so. Sometimes it cost low end performance (probably more typical of carbs than FI)for the sake of increased power band performance. This is worth it for a racer who accelerates from 0 once in a race and the rest of the time is spent in the power band. As far as daily driving pipes might actually slow you up!

IMO, beyond maybe something to make it louder the 14R could mostly benefit from a diet. Fortunately, adding aftermarket exhaust does both.

I had Romans flash mine and I'm extremely happy with it. He's a great guy to work with. My bike is so much more fun to ride. More throttle response at any rpm. I'm not sure how you ride, but if your into squeezing every bit of performance out of your machine than get it flashed. More power and easier to handle...win win.

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I'm not sure how you ride, but if your into squeezing every bit of performance out of your machine than get it flashed. More power and easier to handle...win win.

First let me state this clearly: in no way am I admonishing performance mods or condemning people who add them. I love performance mods and stuff. YOLO, and I got no problems with that!

With that said...
That's my whole point. Do you know you're getting "more power" and "easier to handle"? Do you have lap times which demonstrably show before times and after times with marked improvement? Do you have drag strip times? Even dyno results might be better than nothing? Or is this just based on you riding on the street and thus basically, how it feels to you?

Again don't get me wrong. If it helps you enjoy your motorcycling experience, or maybe even bolsters your riding confidence, I'm all for it. Just in the real world what's going on between your ears is probably the largest impact any of these mods make.

On another forum a guy said he was a racer and having some suspension problems. Someone asked him if he checked his sag. The racer replied "what's sag?"

Do you know you're getting "more power" and "easier to handle"? Do you have lap times which demonstrably show before times and after times with marked improvement? Do you have drag strip times? Even dyno results might be better than nothing? Or is this just based on you riding on the street and thus basically, how it feels to you?

No hard proof VicThing, but definitely a very noticeable difference. I have two ecu's, one flashed by Romans and one stock un flashed. I've switched them back and forth and there is not one thing about the stock ecu that is better. Now also keep in mind my bike is a 2007 with the secondary flies still intact. So by making them open faster I may be experiencing a bigger bang for my buck then newer models. If your ever up my way I'll let you try it out for yourself, maybe you'll be better able to put the difference to words.

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Grn should chime in soon.

I really like the ZX-14, but the bike I really want is a Hayabusa.

Sil, I have no clue what you are after but today's busa has nothing on your bike. You mod for mod, same positions, you are still ahead. Smooth for smooth, you are not even close to being smooth yet. Right off, the 14 is smoother, you'll buzz more on the busa. 1300 is what 1299cc? You are 1352cc and an extra 350cc engine is sitting there on top of matching cc for what? The 14 is going to beat its meat for meet it on the street? Same thing. I am going to step down in hp no way. For a look? What is the draw to honey is the busa? I'm going to assume you want to slow down a touch... JK, your ride, be happy.

Quite honestly I can't really see why anyone would really need the 14 to be any faster (accelerating) on the street

Look, a lane changer has nothing on me in 6th gear yet. I want an even faster bike just to startle them, insult them. Excuse me? You can any faster it your way and stay there. I'll see you in the next gen5 jump or less years, what fast was compared to now. LOL

On another forum a guy said he was a racer and having some suspension problems. Someone asked him if he checked his sag. The racer replied "what's sag?"

Kind of classic, nothing has changed in racing. It takes tons of things to know and it takes years, then it's too late. To be out there, you need a tire reader, pressure finds, the pogo stick screw changes, sprockets to work the squat and stop wheelies out of corners rather than match the track. And sag.... "I can't tune the bike without knowing the sag numbers." Today, if you don't have one of those hired guns from the suspension factory, good luck.

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No hard proof VicThing, but definitely a very noticeable difference. I have two ecu's, one flashed by Romans and one stock un flashed. I've switched them back and forth and there is not one thing about the stock ecu that is better. Now also keep in mind my bike is a 2007 with the secondary flies still intact. So by making them open faster I may be experiencing a bigger bang for my buck then newer models. If your ever up my way I'll let you try it out for yourself, maybe you'll be better able to put the difference to words.

You can call me Vic. I didn't ask the questions about "hard proof" to make you feel bad, or stupid, or anything along those lines. I believe you that there is a difference between ECUs, and that you can tell which ECU is installed. But that's not really my point. A person that puts pipes on their bike is going to notice a difference, for as little as difference as it really makes it's a lot louder. I'm not saying there's no difference, what I'm saying is the actual, real world, street usable performance gains are minimal.

I suppose consider it this way. You have a moderately modified ZX-14R. If I were to take any professional supersport rider, put them on a totally stock ZX-14R vs. you on your modified ZX-14R who would do the faster laps on I'd say pretty much any track?

As I said, the biggest difference is in your head. Learning better riding skills will trump $1000s of mods every time. When people talk about maximizing performance, most people talk about cams, tires, brakes, shocks, etc. and forget they play are the greatest factor, and limitation of their machine's performance. Why get 10% out of your mods when you can get 50%?

Look, a lane changer has nothing on me in 6th gear yet. I want an even faster bike just to startle them, insult them. Excuse me? You can any faster it your way and stay there. I'll see you in the next gen5 jump or less years, what fast was compared to now. LOL

Honestly Hub you're a nice guy. A lot of times I read your post and ?. This is one of those times. (I think I get your point about already having a fast enough bike to curtail lane changers but you want to have one even faster so that you can curtail them more or something. From "excuse me" on you lost me)

Kind of classic, nothing has changed in racing. It takes tons of things to know and it takes years, then it's too late. To be out there, you need a tire reader, pressure finds, the pogo stick screw changes, sprockets to work the squat and stop wheelies out of corners rather than match the track. And sag.... "I can't tune the bike without knowing the sag numbers." Today, if you don't have one of those hired guns from the suspension factory, good luck.

I think you got distracted by sag technically, and missed the point of the racer story in context. Claiming something like "I'm a racer" or "I maximize performance" warrants understanding the reasoning of such claims. As an adult, I've found most adults don't really understand decisions. I mean, most adults on a daily basis don't understand choices they make are even them making decisions. Most adults make decisions without understanding (justification) why they make the decisions they do. When someone tells me "I maximize performance" or "I'm a racer", I'm going to try to understand how they reasoned this out.

Never mind folks, I am probably not going to sink any extra money into this bike.
I really like the ZX-14, but the bike I really want is a Hayabusa.

Gross. Hayabusa's.... Are gross.

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I updated that comment earlier Cblast !!

I know! I was just having fun bud!

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I mean, most adults on a daily basis don't understand choices they make are even them making decisions. Most adults make decisions without understanding (justification) why they make the decisions they do.

Tank has dated many women with this malady...
Rofl

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apples and oranges...[quote]I suppose consider it this way. You have a moderately modified ZX-14R. If I were to take any professional supersport rider, put them on a totally stock ZX-14R vs. you on your modified ZX-14R who would do the faster laps on I'd say pretty much any track?[/quote

apples and apples...Put a supersport rider on a totally stock bike and a supersport rider on a moderately modified bike and see who wins.

Writing a check for a few hundred dollars and dropping your ecu in the mail won't raise a person talent level, but it does work wonders for your bike. I think you ought to give it a try Vic, if for nothing else, just to see for yourself. It will make your bike smoother and more responsive at any speed, it's definitely not just for wide open throttle. And I totally agree with you that the best way to make your bike faster is to learn how to ride faster. I am a student of this sport, I try to improve every time I ride. If someone out rides me I study them and ask questions in hopes of becoming better. All that being said I still like to mod my bike.lol

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Everything WFO said!

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From "excuse me" on you lost me)

No offense Vic, you're an old fart. Be as fast as you like and that bike is all you. But to tell me this bike is fast enough in your opinion, no offense, but, 'excuse me?'

sag technically, and missed the point of the racer story in context. Claiming something like "I'm a racer"

A racer comes in and the debrief goes, 'take 2 more pounds out of the front, drop 2mm at the rear.' He comes in 3rd.

When someone tells me "I maximize performance" or "I'm a racer", I'm going to try to understand how they reasoned this out.

A racer gets off the bike and says, 'the bike is too slow, make it faster.' He comes in 2nd.

The guy who won the race says, 'What's sag?'

Show me the pure racer.

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The pure racer takes what he has, and says 'carry me home baby!',....
Everyone else says 'I wish my bike was as fast as his.'.

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wfozx14 +2.
If it has any merit.... I love modding my bike 1: Because I can. 2: It looks nice to me. 3: To see if it changes the performance and personality of the bike in a way that "feels" nice in my hands. I might not be half a second a lap quicker on the street (lol), but surely if I like the way it feels, that's the deal signed off.
My bike is "C" flashed, modded and polished and I like it all!!! The flash "feels" quite sublime. Notably smoother and intensely powerful on tap. I'm still trying to dial in the suspension and learn to ride it smoother to get the most from it. I hope to get the whole package maxed out sometime, but I doubt this bike will ever allow that.

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apples and apples...Put a supersport rider on a totally stock bike and a supersport rider on a moderately modified bike and see who wins.

That's exactly what I was hoping you'd say, you're finally starting to (catch up with me and) understand. Now read this...

apples and apples. put a moderately skilled street rider on a totally stock baike and a moderately skilled street rider on a modified bike and see them both run the same lap times.

you're finally starting to (catch up with me

If you call me slowing down as catching up then I guess. I honestly couldn't get on the same page as you because we look at things from two totally different angles. I think you like to debate and I don't give a shit. You get defensive if someone disagrees with you and again I don't give a shit.

apples and apples. put a moderately skilled street rider on a totally stock baike and a moderately skilled street rider on a modified bike and see them both run the same lap times.

So do you want to call ohlins, brembo, bst, and all the others and tell them there stuff doesn't work or should I? I don't think you push your stock equipment hard enough to appreciate a solid upgrade. I think I read you have a strong background in computers, so do you appreciate a perfectly tuned and high performing computer? I have a $300.00 laptop from walmart and it works for me, you would be frustrated using this turd, but for me its great. I get on here and two finger type messages with people all over the world and that's about it.

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wfox you can say and think whatever you want about being defensive or debating, or however it is you feel.

Your very first reply in this thread included

I'm not sure how you ride, but if your into squeezing every bit of performance out of your machine

Now, I understand English. It is my native language. The words all mean the same thing to you as they do me. Your very first reply included this. It's a preposterous assertion from the outset. Hell most people can't even do that on the track. So yeah, spending a bunch of money on upgrades, I'm sticking to my original statement. If it makes you feel better, if it bolsters your riding confidence, go for it. Because most likely that's all it's really doing, whether you feel differently about it or not.

if your into squeezing every bit of performance out of your machine

I guess YOU should've stopped reading my post right there.

Ride safe Vic, good chatting with you.

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Silver, how goes the decision?

apples and apples. put a moderately skilled street rider on a totally stock bike and a moderately skilled street rider on a modified bike and see them both run the same lap times.

I agree, if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

So do you want to call ohlins, brembo, bst, and all the others and tell them there stuff doesn't work or should I?

No need and what for? Throw the moderately skilled on a set of secret leggera's and the debrief is a complaint pointed to the parts, no lap change. Swaps to the next round of suspension parts, now the brakes are bad, same lap times. Brakes are fixed now the same lap times appear once again. Basically, I could not believe what I was seeing.

And I totally agree with you that the best way to make your bike faster is to learn how to ride faster. I am a student of this sport...

Jump into the wayback machine to that aussie guy that was winning all those ama championships. I hear tell, he hardly called for a change to the suspension between tracks. Who's on first?

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