If it got hot enough to go 1 bar from the top then it would of called for the fan to come on. if it was jammed it would have to blow a fuse or a relay or a wire is cut.

Check all the power supply to the fan circuit bits and pieces.

Would be a good star

good luck

Gotcha- Got to pay respects to the big man in the morning (especially for saving my bacon), then I will hit the scooter and address each item suggested- The only thing I know for sure is, the radiator has a one hole leak, near the bottom of the INSIDE of the lower left... I thought this was a bit odd due to I can not see anything that would have punctured a hole there... It was then, that I was taking a closer look at fan and noticed it did not turn or even budge... I will also take some close-up shots of radiator....

MUCHO THX ALL-

I was called in to work today- just got off. I am going to tackle my scooter-2-do list tomm. when off work-

Hub: Added your suggestions to list- Man, with all this to go on I hope I get that baby to sing tomm.!!!!

THX!!

Man, don't hold your breath. I doubt it works like that if I run this bike on the fly or even in static mode, she re-pings to restart. We are missing something. Unless it has a two-step [hidden ping needing to reset w/mem lost], and the deer triggered it water wise, meaning, it's new to me. Good Luck!

Well fellas....

I am fairly close to throwing in the towel......

I DO get a spark from the plug as suggested to check.. I DID disconnect batt. and let it sit overnight...
Yes, the kill is in the run... Yes, the radiator fan has been jammed up against radiator, but as there are no sensors.. should not prevent from at least starting....I have checked and re-checked everything mentioned to no avail... disappointing..I thought for sure she would be running with all that to go on...

Any hail-Mary's?

Spark-Compression, check.

Only thing left is fuel. Gotta raise the tank, unclip the gas line. Hook a hose up to the nipple. Turn key on and watch how much flow comes out. If it drips out - Bingo! If it flows with about 2 ounces after the pump stops, something like that.

You run low on gas all the time? You run with a full tank most of the time? Those oil pumps are bulletproof also. Hard to pinpoint not being there. I'd almost guess the pump flows and back to installing new plugs if the flow is there. I'm stumped myself unless you full throttle the engine to start it. Once it lights up, I doubt you'll shut it down before it hits the limiter. So, one last open throttle [start it that way] before you check for gas flow.

OK.. Fuel it is... I may not get a chance tomm. but will Fri/Sat... I DO have an AR15- Possibly a few shots in the air in immediate vicinity would scare it into functionality? Could never shoot the 14 direct....

I'm almost thinking, every time you were starting that, it runs the rich morning map with a slight throttle opening. Still, you override this, because those chambers just might need an air dry... Joking. I'm just playing the odds you have all the ducks lined up. It's a matter of her having an idiosyncrasy. ATC 250 4-strokes had a kick start idio. If you didn't start it this way; no way! Therefore, she has some sort of 'start me this way' kind of walk up to it and learn that ID of that particular model. Yeah, strange, I know.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/14/2011 @ 8:12 PM *

Sure I know about scooter "character" in starting sequence.. but the 14 has always been a no brainer- no throttle, a second maybe two and she is singing.. It just kills me that she turns over so strong.... got a spark.. if it is not something fuel it HAS to be a sensor of some sort..??!!

The thing is, dear sir, I have to agree with you 99% of the time. Bulletproof does not doe well with venison cooked over fan if you want to know where that 1% went. At least a code flashed in the headlights sort of speak. That gives a clue but to whom? You have the 3 starting variables with that gas check being a waste. I'd call it off because of the water code. From here, and how you described it, I'd say you have all-systems-go. The dash showing up to language-select is another clue she is all there.

I haven't tried this to find out if she should work? Meaning, FI knows the engine is cold. FI knows you do not touch the throttle. Knowing that step, she is pumping in fuel. If say; FI knows you have the throttle wide open to the locks? At one time, I heard she shuts down the fuel in the generic, meaning, car wise, we WOT the throttle. That is the idea. Kill two birds. The oxygen ratio goes 100%. If it pops and fires, that is a good 'sound.' Says I have compression is one. Says I have spark to fire the mix that exists now. It says; the bike might catch a start up. [If] that theory about no fuel @ WOT is one more fallacy you could nail from there.

However, you don't want to sacrifice that battery. This is going to start right quick like you know how she starts. Other than knowing that knock over sensor is positioned right. Was that disturbed in the crash? Bump it and see if it rattles. Maybe that thing is stuck? Guess is all I'm shooting for now.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/14/2011 @ 11:26 PM *

Ya...by all rights she ought to fire.I'm leaning with Hub...I think your sensor got hit or something.But I still can't figure out...if that was so,HOW did you ride the bike with the engine running until.....So I'm stumped.UNLESS...the tearing off of the fairing on that left side yanked the wires loose somewhere along the harness(the vehicle down sensor wiring).But...even so...she would not turn over if the sensor was coding the ECU.How about that harness/connector deal up front there on the left side(where the fairing used to be).The ignition connector(s) and such.Anything pulled loose from there?OR at the ignition switch itself?(underneath where the wiring goes into the key switch?)I'm thinkin something has been pulled loose around those two connections.Broken pin maybe that you don't see.Maybe pull em apart and reconnect after looking inside the pin area of the plug(s).See if that works?If you open the throttle while cranking,do you get ANY smell of fuel?It is possible that somehow ONE of those circuits is shutting off the injectors.Fuel pump may be working,but the injectors might not.

I'm pretty much out of possibles with this one...except....you say the fan was jammed against the radiator...you DID make sure it is turning by hand now,yes?Free to spin if it needs to?AND....IDK...but maybe having your lamps unplugged has something to do with the ignition circuit....perhaps she won't start without THOSE at least plugged in as if they were gonna come on at 'key on' start switch pushed.You might want to at least plug in ONE of the assemblies and see IF the lamps will come on after cranking....they should.And stay on till you turn the key off.I'd plug BOTH assemblies back in ,even if a bulb is broken or something.At least to allow the circuit to flow as it would with em in there?Just an idea.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 9/15/2011 @ 12:55 AM *

I did not think about the lamps making a loop... Seems like I tried to start it before I disassembled, but worth a try anyhow.. I am with both of you and feel it has to be a connection of some sort... I am going to go over it with a fine tooth comb this weekend and find the culprit.. Just does not make sense..

Blue, if you say the engine would not even turn over if vehicle down sensor was issue, that can't be it. Also, Hub, I have not pried the fan away from the radiator- Maybe it gives a quick spin on starting to assure it's functional? I'll do that also-

Pry the fan away from the RAD my man!Sheesh.See if that motor will spin(I don't mean'come on')...just if the blades will turn free.They should,unless that motor got crunched?I suppose THAT could cause 'short or open' in the circuit?Even if it didn't code somehow.IDK...no tellin really just what some of these 'engine parts' might have to do with preventing a start.Might be be somewhere in the manual...IDK.

Will do!

Check all grounds and do you have a PC on there or 1 better can you make a list of all aftermarket parts that are installed!

Hub has been teaching you well young Padwahn .

Yes he has... I am grateful and hopefully the force will be with me this weekend...

Hub & Blue, I am going to take some detailed vid's and I just registered a domain to post- mybroke14 dot com... thx much for your help-

Well, 3 weeks at the shop and they are stumped... They do not have the computer to trace electronics and they are throwing in the towel... 3 mechanics.... SOO.... Picking up first of week and going to Kawi shop 50 miles away.

Got new radiator, misc. parts and all plastic- Just need it to run now...

Ya...stumped...that sounds unfortunately familiar.Main reason I did all my service work.Man....sorry about your problem there.No code.If that new service tech can get into your ECU...they have that Kawasaki tool that reads ALL codes from day one.It may have coded on impact or something,and you didn't see it with all the other stuff goin on.They can find any code since the bike was new.Everything.Ask em to do that.If it's stopping the ECU from allowing a start...it's big enough to code I'm thinkin.You didn't by chance crush the fuel pump line somehow did you?,up under that left side there?At the throttlebody.
Did you ever try Hub's idea....removing the #4 plug(on the right side)and pushing it back into the stick coil,then looking for the spark while cranking?(DO NOT TOUCH PLUG WHILE DOING THIS!!!! ).I'd try that...least you'll know if she's getting a spark.It's possible that at impact,the signal for whatever is stopping your bike from firing happened so quickly that the ECU may have stumbled reading it...Maybe...hopefully?.You could also have a bad broken wire in you harness somewhere...something that does not code..yet prevents the circuit from completing.I have a FULL WIRING HARNESS.EVERYTHING.Including the throttlebody harness.Let me know.I won't be using it ever.Just sitting here...waiting....wondering....wanting....to be used again Seriously...if it's a hidden wire break...this harness will fix THAT problem.

If she's getting spark...and fuel...she HAS to start.If voltage is good...she HAS to fire.Spark+fuel+volts=fire.UNLESS that vehicle down sensor circuit is some how stopping it.Let me know if ya want this harness(s).I'll make ya an offer you can't refuse!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/15/2011 @ 5:59 PM *

I feel for ya, SOG! I wonder if I could shovel ready [create a job for myself], take a plane over there and train those 3? That is not the only shop or franchise having a problem. This is what I term, "the pits" on the net. I'm rolling down my electronic box, baskasswords off the trailer. I am ready to take someone's trophy, they think they have their bone stock tuned ready for track.

Cough!

I think your domain is too new to search. Try this; Look up at that long address bar. See where is says the address of the forum? When you go to enter a chapter and for sure, point out that, dealer level needs someone to explain the manual to them in hubbish terms. LOL... Because the factory manual ain't cutting it for those 3? No way! 3 out of 3 strikes you're out?

I forget, what was wrong with the bike again? Whatever the code is, I can loophole it two ways tell them! Then, ask them if they know their 3 amigos on the ohms side of the trouble tree?

Too late Hub...their pride's already been hurt.They wouldn't listen now if ya payed em!

Oh yeah Blue- Printed out all notes from you and hub and went step by step on that weekend... It fires.. only randomly?? Checked fuel pump and seems to work fine- steady stream on cranking.. every time....

Yeah the three Amigos are all good guys.. I know one pretty well and the other two have worked on my scooters.. THIS is the only project I have brought before them that they are stumped.. They say, and I believe them, that they have traced every line to the best they can..

My poor 14.... at least I have a new set of clothes for her when I get her back...

I will definitely keep you guys posted and again, appreciate all the long-distance tips-

You ever in South-East Texas the drinks are on me-

Okay...so NOW it's firing ONLY RANDOMLY.Better than NOT AT ALL.(not much).You checked(they checked)the plug deal...removed and looked for spark?There WAS one....reliably?This COULD be as simple as the ECU is taking a dump.Try an ecu swap....see if that corrects it.It might...it just might.The ecu's DO fail sometimes.Hitting that deer and having this starting problem MAY NOT BE RELATED.It's possible.VERY possible.Sorry ya can't get er goin...bummer.You'll get er done.

You did say she WAS runnin immediately after the crunch,yes?And running normally?So it WAS working okay if only for a short time.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/16/2011 @ 11:27 AM *

Just out of curiosity, was this dilemma ever resolved?