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Thread: Slotting timing pick up ?

Created on: 03/25/09 11:52 AM

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OldGuy


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Slotting timing pick up ?
03/25/09 11:52 AM

At now dead site there were some folks that were modding their timing pick up bracket to make it adjustable. Instead of buying akit to do this.
Anyone here done this mod, and was it worth bothering with?



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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/25/09 10:34 PM

Wait for Blue06 to sign on. He's the slot city expert. Here is the deal in the generic computer speak.
In our spark box, there is a machine that watches the wave count of the cam sensor. Once this phases out of count, or wave lengths, it goes to a trigger counting machine [in the spark unit is like generic communication between cam to crank tones], where the machine sends the new signal to the ECU; the ECU sends a retard map to slow the count back to the correct read.

That is why you hear about a small window of tune by using the tone wheel adjuster or moving the slot one way [or the other]. So, you more or less can grind the one side so it moves one way to the more advanced side. But you leave the other U slot alone. This way, you just line the U that is not slotted back to the stock position.

The trick is to move the pickup to the right as the crank spins clockwise [you sitting on the bike is now look at the right side of the crank] is see how it would fire off sooner you moving the pickup to the right as piston is lower so the advance fires the flame off sooner is gonna fire backwards you make it too advanced is the reason the cam knows the direction is to halt it from firing backwards. Generic = Sea all that is not shown in your map but it sure is coded with the cars and what unit just made a count go hey wire meup a retard map.

Say, you take the slot and it has the X to move sideways, but you will have to grind the Y factor is the indent that fits snug to the engine case thread hole. Therefore to move the stationary advance over to perform the movement of Z, you will have to grind down just half [of both] the indented recess. They use this to keep the correct air gap to the tone wheel off the crank.

So, your finished product should have one slot open, the other close with indent shave and the x-y-z ground to it so all moves as one sliding pickup. And for the back of the pick-up unit, you would have both the staked indents ground to a half circle or say it looks like a "D" > Where you ground half the indents away so you can slide the pick-up just that half saved so it moves back to the stock position. Filed by hand, you could run it as close as 3/4 to a touch more than 7/8% of the indent is removed so it stops so far.

Because, by slotting, you might butt your slide of the pickup right up against that counting machine where it would stay out of the retard window is send the front end nose diving.


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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/26/09 6:00 AM

Perhaps a timing trigger from Muzzy's?

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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/26/09 7:15 AM

Timing Trigger, meet$ money to move into the - IGT*
Timing Slot City, meats a file down to the backside is move over honey I am blind is which hole is point the way, oh >Shit!< I Got That - IGT*


*IGT = [Advance/Retard counter] Ignition Trigger machine guns you back to the border.

Did one move clean and adjustable> Heading deep into the IGT? Yes.
Did a slot to the right fit all right is hit my IGT? Yes, is the window can get you there either way is break the pane out of the building are the city boundaries.

If Blue does not show up and How-To, I'll slot the pickup and install an advancer, swap both ends and come up with 2 wave-able bake her. Kill both How-Two's is one time. Tone that little cockscukher on the fly is way too many moves! But dare you go is I'm INN!



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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/26/09 9:19 AM

Dear HUB-I THINK the advancer eliminates the "filing cabinet,adjust yer screw who slip an'slide to fire er right on the $ is well spent?

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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/31/09 9:22 AM

Due you have an advancer installed, blue? Who installed one and what where the results. I rather hear assfactor than read some chart that is now scotched with PC's and trezzzzzzzzz.

UB, Rotty or even Blue06 see his slot move half that wave in Retard degrees the other way/wave? You see my sequence fire in 4-Rows? Say cylinder fires in the hot sun is row 1. Say we ride through some horse country, trees shade the air thru that small track of land we are cooking cooler air is the other cylinder changed for that shade tree mechanic figuring out sequence fire. Row 3 comes out of the shade did I smell horse is shit through my ears is out my nose is row 4 is back to hot firing, we are out of the shade is you see that map fire my ducks in a Slowly I turned, Rotting away my teef, sitting in the bleachers is bum that SlowASS is he?



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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/31/09 9:24 AM



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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
03/31/09 10:53 AM

Gotta Love those peeps!!!Well Hub,I bought the timing trigger from Muzzy's last year-easy install-4 degrees advance(clearly marked on advancer)and it definitely perked up the engine.It seems to be fine-also had one on my(now gone)zx12.Worked very well-gave er that "extra" bit of response.I think it was $85.00.Installed easy.No guesswork involved.Stay safe bro!Didn't affect the engine temp at all.I guess it's working okay?


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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
04/02/09 8:41 PM

man reading all that gave me a head ache, but good information. I just installed a Muzzy advancer and set it
at 4 degrees advance. Ivans Performance has some information on the gains that will help a ZX-14. Hey if you spray or Turbo you can take some timing out.



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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
04/04/09 10:37 AM

Watch the slot X to Y. If I slot horizontal, my gap from pickup to tone wheel increases. I would have to arc up in degrees to maintain the gap. There is my Z.
Statically set, I am at that degree and set at that required gap. I am fixed [3-D = x-y-z lined up like ducks], unless you can angle that pickup to keep the gap within spec climbing 4 degrees either way.


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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
04/19/09 9:12 PM

The real question is whether or not you can casually run 87 octane gas after advancing the timing. On my ZRX (stage 3, quite zooted up) everyone had the timing advanced 4 degrees, and pretty much everyone ran low octane without trouble. It goes to say you shouldn't be running the low octane stuff without knowing how NOT to 'lug' a motor the wrong way, but...

Some people claimed miraculous results from the slotted pickup - two bars lower on the engine temp, quicker response, 10mpg better mileage, harder and longer lasting erections, etc.

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RE: Slotting timing pick up ?
04/19/09 9:24 PM

How To coming shortly... I will more or less; pull over and keep adding degrees until it hits the wave box, meaning, the nurse comes along; loads her middle finger under her thumb and then WHACK'Em! Right on the head of my dick is hard on over! You degree'd I have to feel that hack is the same hack is wind up selling it on ebay.



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