I’ve reached a milestone in performance improvements on my bike. It started innocently enough when I did the first thing everyone does, aftermarket exhaust. I got twin Muzzy slip-ons because I wasn’t that interested in more performance, just sound and aesthetics. The new exhaust started backfiring. I called Muzzy to ask about it and I was told that Any change in the stock system would need other changes like mapping or timing. I was worried at the time that it might not be good for the engine if I didn’t make adjustments. I bought a PCIII second hand and loaded the DJ map for “slip ons.” It was pretty flat. Didn’t make it worse but didn’t make it better either. I was having a problem with ambient heat so I decided to have the headers ceramic coated. First I got some headers form an ’06 model and had them ceramic coated. I figure that since the catalytic converter created a tremendous amount of heat the ’06 headers would solve that problem since they don’t have one. I also figured that although the ’06 had slightly smaller exit pipes (1/8” dia less) the lack of a cat would allow them to flow as well as the ’08 unit with the cat in it. New OEM gaskets adapted the slip-ons for the ’08 onto the ’06 exit pipes. Then I called Muzzy again and they sent me a new map which was for “full Muzzy system.” That worked great, but I still had backfire problems. I decided to disable the supplementary air system and see what happens. I plugged the tube that comes out of the bottom of the air box, with a wooden dowel and stuck it back in. Voila…backfire stopped 99%. I was happy at this point but…I kept reading in the forum about these great maps guys were getting and raving about, from Ivan and Brock and Fuel Moto. Well fact is, they woln’t give or sell you a map unless you buy mucho bucks worth of stuff from them. The Dyno Jet maps were really poor and there wasn’t a source where one could go and buy or download a map. In the mean time I decided I needed Auto Tune. I was going to have a bung welded into my ’08 headders and I was out in the shop one day and just took the headers over to the band saw and cut the collector in half! That made it easy to remove the cat from it. Then I had the bung put on and welded it back together and then took it down and had it ceramic coated. Then I bought a PCV and AutoTune second hand.
Then along comes FAICS service. I got in touch with Jeffo and we talked for quite a while. He wanted to know where I ride, how I ride and what I was looking for performance wise. He also talked me into removing the flies. The next day he sent me a map, custom for what I wanted. WOW! This is just what I had been looking for since long ago. Another source for maps and I didn’t have to buy something for $200+ to get it. Just $50. And all the initial comments on his work, in the forum, were great. Then I got my newly coated catless headers back and installed them with my Muzzys. (I also had the midpipes ceramic coated which looks sharp.) I loaded the map I got from Jeffo and went for a spin. Well…it had some problems. But I did this amazing thing! I called him back!! (Gee what a concept, it just seemed better than getting pissed and calling him names.)
I told him, in detail, what I didn’t like. He responded within the hour with a new map. I tried it and called him back again and again he sent me a new map right away. I kept noting the subtle changes he was making as we progressed. I ended up getting 3 revisions until it was perfect. Excellent is the word for throttle response, acceleration, smooth cruzing, parking lot speeds and everything else. As a matter of fact my bike is now so powerful and so quick that it’s almost intimidating. A bike like this probably shouldn’t be on the streets! This is what I always thought a full blown Superbike for the track would feel like. If there is such a thing as too much power it might be my bike!
So here’s a formula for a bike that’s too fast…
> Remove stock muffler cans and get high quality slip-ons. (I got Muzzy oval, carbon fiber.)
> Remove catalytic converter from headers.
> Have headers and mid pipes ceramic coated.
> Remove flies.
> Disable the supplementary air system.
> Install K&N air filter.
> Get a map from Jeffo and work with him until it is just the way you want it!

I’m stoked…
Sharkey

* Last updated by: Sharkey on 10/5/2009 @ 6:28 PM *

Now get a Dynojet Ingnition Module, Then keep hands firmly on the bars...lol More is better right?

* Last updated by: Romans on 10/5/2009 @ 4:20 PM *

Thanks for the other side of the coin there, Shark. So we have an 08 owner who is satisfied now. I'm already all set with Autotune but I might just give Jeffo a try next spring. This tuning business is fascinating stuff. I can;t wait to learn what makes it tick.

So we have an 08 owner who is satisfied now.

I think there is more than one? I have talked to Jeff as well. I am willing to bet his phone bill is not cheap. Nice guy. He works 4 it, there is no doubt. All the power to anyone who is trying 2 help. cheers.

Like I said, rook, the adjustments he made per my criticism were very subtle. The original map itself was wayyyyy different from anything I've seen on Dyno Jet maps. You don't start with adjustments like that without a lot of experience with mapping. It's not an exact science but seeing the difference in various maps I've used allows me to understand how a well programmed map can be very exciting as compared to some like Dyno Jet's, which I would call generic maps. They seem to be "functional" but nothing more.
This is the reason I had my misgivings about AutoTune. The program can only recommend target values programmed into it. If Dyno Jet's regular maps are "flat" They couldn't preprogram target values other than those considered most functional. AutoTune is not artificial intelligence which can program creatively. It's your basic "garbage in, garbage out." (not actual garbage, it's just an expression) I'm sure it can result in a proficient, comfortable map. But I wanted something a little more over the edge if you know what I mean. I'll bet it couldn't solve the problem of roll on lurch. Jeffo fixed the problem of the bump when rolling throttle back on, while releasing trail braking, when going into a curve. And he did it without disabling the gas off at 0 throttle function. A function of the stock ECU, it shuts off fuel flow when you roll off to zero throttle. If the gas doesn't stop flowing when you roll off the throttle, you can get unburned vapors sucked into the exhaust and with the slightest amount of air (O2) in there the hot exhaust pipes will ignite it. That is a backfire. Ivan's 006a unit handles the throttle problem by disabling the gas off function. For the reason I just mentioned I would not recommend it.
I'm so content with what I have I've put the PCV and AutoTune up for sale.

* Last updated by: Sharkey on 10/5/2009 @ 6:23 PM *

This is far too special of anouncement for
a bike with a pair of slip ons and a "good"
Muzzy map in it

Just saying...

If the gas doesn't stop flowing when you roll off the throttle, you can get unburned vapors sucked into the exhaust and with the slightest amount of air (O2) in there the hot exhaust pipes will ignite it. That is a backfire.

Sharky my bike has the TRE006A and my fuel never shuts completely off(same as being in N)like you say, and it's because of this, I have No back fire. I have used it with Muzzy slip-ons and and my current Akrapovic full system. It works believe me. I have had it in and out a Dozen times playing. I still believe fuel cut in the corners is not good. I would love to try your new set up.....maybe I will. I was looking to buy a Map for a 109 from jeff and pc5 Maped for a Harley crossroads so I will be talking to Jeff soon. Winter is on it's way,time to play on the bikes will soon be coming to a end. I'm glad Jeff has got you worked out. Cheers. Thanks for the info.

This is far too special of anouncement for
a bike with a pair of slip ons and a "good"
Muzzy map in it

Just saying...

Maybe the bike is now working like it should. Sharkey there is more.....Lots of fun

Sharkey wrote:

I'm so content with what I have I've put the PCV and AutoTune up for sale.

.......so we're still not sure if Jeffo can work with a PCV?? Any success stories there?

mass, you missed the point. I started with a (good) Muzzy map but ended with a(fantastic) map from FAICS. I think gutting the headders and having dual exhaust allows the exhaust to breathe fully. Plus full ceramic coating causes the gasses to move through the system much faster because of the way it contains the heat. Ceramic coating is a performance upgrade.

I'm glad the 006a works well but I'm happy with all the benefits and a gear indicator too.

I’ve reached a milestone in performance improvements on my bike.

Just sayin' ... some big words for a gutted header, slip ons
and an aftermarket filter.
Maybe I'm wrong though.

I'm Back! and Thanks for what you said Sharkey,YES, YES, I CAN TUNE A PCV, BUT, YOU MUST! CALL ME! If you want it RITE and are willing to WORK WITH ME.NOT KRUZ,OR MONSTER, I'M DONE WITH YOU GUYS, BUT ANYONE ELSE that is willing to get THEIR MAPS DONE PROPERLY Thats fine with me. JEFFO

Sharkey... PARAGRAPHS ! LOL

My 2008 Zx14

TRE8 by Ivan (mapless version)
Gutted header with a right side exit only Scorpion slip on
Muzzy adjustable advancer set 2 over stock

Bike scares me so why do I want a PC and a good map? I can handle 0 to 100 but after 100 this thing is stupid fast scary for me.

Bike scares me so why do I want a PC and a good map? I can handle 0 to 100 but after 100 this thing is stupid fast scary for me.

You need a pc with a good tune in order not to burn a piston from running your engine too lean!

Lean is mean...

"NOT KRUZ,OR MONSTER, I'M DONE WITH YOU GUYS"

Don't be bringing my name up Jeffo, unless you want me in your threads telling people the truth, your maps screw up bikes and you don't pay for your mistakes.

* Last updated by: Monster14 on 10/6/2009 @ 6:54 AM *

You need a pc with a good tune in order not to burn a piston from running your engine too lean!

Lean is mean...

I am not to worried about cooking a piston since this is not a forced air set up as in blower or turbo. It will fall on its face before it takes out a piston.

mass, you're right. It does seem like I got a lot for a little. I am amazed myself. Basically all I did was remove the smog system! But the difference between the Muzzy map and the FAICS map is significant. No I'm not getting paid for saying good stuff about jeffo, this is completely objective.
After months of screwing around to ultimately end up with good results like this is exciting.

privateer, yea, I know bad composition. I get excited and I type like a speed freak. It all runs together. LOL
I've been around so long that not a lot gets me excited anymore. It's nice when it happens. But then isn't that why we all have ZX14s?
Here's to adrenaline junkies!

1BAD said "I tried to tell them that"..................I tried to tell them that.Glad yer map is working for ya!!!

As a matter of fact my bike is now so powerful and so quick that it’s almost intimidating. A bike like this probably shouldn’t be on the streets! This is what I always thought a full blown Superbike for the track would feel like. If there is such a thing as too much power it might be my bike!

You're close to those machines ran in the Superbike class-
you only need to shed 200 lbs. and add 50 rwhp!

FYI when Moto GP still allowed 999 cc displacement,
the bikes were laying down upward of 240 rwhp and were
within 360 lbs. with a full tank.

Superbike has ways been closer to the real world
than Moto GP but those bikes are incredible machines
that a zx14 couldn't even come close to.

Hi Guys

yes, I am running a Jeff Lambert (F.A.I.C.) map on a Power Commander FIVE on an 08 ZX 14 SE, and am very happy with the map and the service.

map was really good when received, better once fine tuned/tweaked after test riding and further phone discussion with Jeff. The map is considerably different than the map provided for my setup by fuelmoto when I bought the PC V, and works much better than the fuelmoto map. The jeffo instructions to correctly set the Trottle Position Sensor and enable the accelarator pump function were excellent.

I live at roughly 3,300 feet altitude, my bike has stock 08 header, cat removed from header by bandsaw, header titanium ceramic coated, Yosh R77 dual slip ons, K & N air filter, Engine Ice.

Paul

Here's to adrenaline junkies!

OK guys, mass is going to keep me honest.

My bike isn't really that fast I just had some good drugs that day.

Lord, please forgive me for that one...

* Last updated by: Sharkey on 10/6/2009 @ 8:59 PM *

mass is going to keep me honest

Well Sharkey-I aint doin no drugs-my bike IS that fast-I mentioned before with Jeff's map-It's possible that it's ALMOST DANGEROUS!!(I know-can't compare to a 1/4 miler turbo.But for basically stock-she's a real reminder to "Watch what the HE%& yer doin".

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/7/2009 @ 12:19 AM *