WE all, or say some of us float around the other established websites. The newest news for me was this flashing business going on with the Hayabusa.

Say, if you could change a chip or an E-prom in the ECU, that is one thing. But guys are breaking the glass or say when you see a spark plug wire; wear out it's life(?), it will find a shorter path and you get this misfire happening.

If I break a prism, does not that angle take the shortest path for light? It [light] will take the shortest path like electricity, would one not think?

OK, here is where guys are going to charge you [Car guys do this with the Fast/Furious type cars] is to pressurize the crystal with a tiny enough spike to the glass = so as to break it. Like, you smack a diamond into smaller chunks; are find the grain to the glass so it does not shatter.

The electrical bump just tweaks a, "shorter path" to a broken chip> is it calculates the process faster taking a shorter path thru the broken prism. I think that is the hack in a nutshell. I have a gate or one plug into the ECU. I know that is the path to the crystal. I then throw enough electrical pressure to a feed-in/feed-out = $150 is thanks for braking bank with me is bust your best beer muff holder. Oh, BTW, it is a one time deal is no deposit, no return on the melted sand dune.

Those with the electrical engineering background need to correct me, because if this is not one more Eye Van Deal in the bust for bucks my EC U are going to be shown the heads-up on what has occurred to your black box. If I am not mistaken, this is what basically the hack does is just plot the same maps faster is how much in milliseconds is has to be within the 0 - 5V signal in the analog.

Yes, you can then run a PC or any fuel trim and it just moves the calculations sooner in almost the digital say is the analogy because it is still hooked up to the analog signals = No codes. Did you not full circle busting a chip is to the backup maps? Did you reprogram any fuel trim but the same internal calc only faster via the shorter path at the crystal break my plot is follow the stoic.

Did that sort of sound simple to understand about basic, "flashing?" Correct me if I am not on the absolute step or it will not be valid as a theory in the practical.

Hub when you talk about flashing, people get scared!!!

A 'busa wrangling buddy of mine is running software from Smith (Boost by Smith, I think???) that would be so frickin' awesome if it were available for the 14. It's super easy to navigate and allows re-promming or flashing of the system. I don't really see myself hacking into the system without some kind of easy interface. It still would be easy to screw things up in there, but at least it wouldn't be due to interface error. People like Hub can probably take two wires, tap them together in binary morse code or something and voila, the timing is advanced 4 degrees, but for the mortal, non-raw code readers among us this and other software like it should be a major step forward. Bring it on.

Okay-I'm lost here What is this "flash"thingy?

Hub,

Once you 1. crack (flash) the ECU to open it up, 2. wouldn't you need the registers of the chip to pull off the info (dump), 3. decode it, 4. and then write in your new stuff, and then 5. 'flash' back any changes?

or

do you already have the data ready to flash in, so effectively 1-4 have been done?

* Last updated by: JDC on 3/17/2009 @ 6:25 PM *

Boost by Smith and Ridge Racer really, I give more credit to Ridge for his work being done on the ECU's. I just noticed the Busa was being exploited and guys are saying that the new part cost 62 cents or some part that was toasted needed to be replaced. I do not know what they are doing chip wise is stands to reason they boost it to your generic "flash" is just one path that I guess is slowing down the calculations or say that crystal is a gate that has been pre/post plotted your flashing?

I haven't read to much over at Ridge's hacking website. I did read enough to know guys were using just generic windows for the Boost by Smith software. It is more a written code for your generic car Check Engine Light downloads. So, you can basically update the ECU's at the [car] dealer or say the factory has a drive-ability problem in the field? The factory can reprogram the trouble spot and "flash" the new update. It sort of works like that.

Now, what process they use besides cracking the flash to run quicker is to keep reading the tech and their fundamental steps. You now become the computer programmer and I am looking at those C++ books on my shelf, trying to think up how I am not even close to reading one full page of that type of language.

Ridge is more an EE with the added software programming knowledge to engineer what circuit boards he designs. I think he mentioned he would use C++ as the coding and here I am with a few books just for that sorta of process. I would say if anyone has a jump on flashing the 14, it is going to be Ridge and maybe one more guy working the same angle as Ridge.

So, if it comes to the point of someone being able to flash the 14's ECU, all the luck to them. Ass far as my butt can tell, anything I find tuning this bike that can improve the throttle response to move quicker is yours. Hell, I find anything in that bike to move me quicker away from that fender, that trick is yours and you can call the ball just like you called the ball to flash or PC/Tfi/The Rest. So, if you have some hot moves, I'd like to see how they react in a flash mode. Open source yes. Pay eye van for watt? I think the factory shop manual was cheaper and the answers made more sense as in the absolute hold nothing back in that book? Pass thanks, I think I'll stay stock for a few less milliseconds.

Now that I have the GPS toggled for that fly/less, I now have to retie my subs open, flip the digital and if that bike lags and loads up like you are PC'd, I think I have the real time map and who needs a fuel trim pigged. I am not anti-flash my windows/anti-pc with windows included on the screen is to say the least. But you would have to know where to re-solder that chip or whatever 60 cent part it is; you could cook a brick and then what? The bike is a parts bike if you do not buy the black box to fire it off again.

You would have to solder well. You would have to know a little ohm's variables and that is a bunch of math. You would have to change over 400 maps. I could only guess how many Ridge counts as ignition maps on the throttle loads are going to swing retard to stop the ping short of having a knock sensor or switch maps is more how you knock it up inside. Say, is a knock sensor two or 3 wire? Does it have A BACKUP = 3 WIREs? I would assume the flash would speed up the digital somewhat if it speeds the analog. Does the digital take the same path through the flashed component on the circuit board? If it does, then I would think so.

OK, now to Smith and what has the software done different? Did it not act the generic as in the PC? Bout used the same window's platform is from Mitsubishi to Mikuni to Delphi and does M?M over in Italy use windows or Linux is does the plot follow the atmosphere over there too is nothing is hidden in the software. It has to accomplish the atmo plot. Did you not come full circle? Smith = PC is the map is flashed or the PC works that flash dance. Did you not tell the injector to + or - as if you benched the ECU out of the bike = PC'd it either way on the bike.

I don't know. WATT do you think? Does it sound like we traveled in a full circle? Flashed my brick with 115v is AC my tower with a bench press? She is as strong running 12/13/14: to 1 fueled ratio'd as if I/PC'd my laptop with a 9v battery = Same=Same map exchange.

they can't flash a zx14 yet hub only the busa and thats pre 07 that can be done ..but if it could be done its the way to go ..powercommander and bazzaz don't have nothing over flashing

http://www.boostbysmith.com/

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 3/18/2009 @ 6:39 AM *

For you, Blue:

Flash memory is non volatile form of memory that stores the code that the bike's computer uses. It's a form of EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read only memory). Non volatile memory needs no electrical current in order to retain its memory which is why it's used for the bike's system, otherwise you'd be fugged because your bike's ECU would be lobotomized every time that you disconnected the battery. Basically, it's a lot like the memory card in your digital camera or a usb thumb drive. Flashing just refers to uploading data to the memory. Being that the computer controls so many functions the ability to flash it opens up a whole world of possibilities. Lots of companies like Hypertech popped up for car tuning that offer an actual replacement chip that can be plugged into the car's computer allowing custom calibration of everything that is electrically managed by the ECU. Flashing (or promming, burning, blowing, etc.) requires no hardware change at all; you just plug a laptop into the system and either go through an interface program (like boost by smith or tuneboy, neither of which support the zx yet) or if you're able or if you're hub, god knows how, hack into the actual code. If tuneboy ( http://www.tuneboy.com.au/index.htm ) supported our beloved zx14 it would be totally kickass.

And Badzx14r nailed it. "..powercommander and bazzaz don't have nothing over flashing."

Thanks Jay-I think I'm getting it-however,if the PCIII or other enhancers override the ecu(they do,don't they?),then isn't it really just another way to bypass stock settings?What's the advantage?None of the settings are effective until the bike is operating anyway,right?I'm not seeing the advantage,except you could perhaps do away with the pcIII or other enhancer.I'm thinkin' the cost for this "flash unit" or whatever it is is gonna be around the same as the PCIII?Ride Safe-thanks for the info!!...So...this is supposed to decrease the execution time of the commands?How much faster could it be?

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/18/2009 @ 7:00 PM *

blue07, I would think it is somewhere in the milliseconds of difference, being if there is a reprogramming to follow, there is no piggy out to said (+)< Bazzaz/PC/Tfi Boxex>(-) now out of the piggy and back to the ECU is take that bypass memory card is wait a few milli to calcut out. So, how fast is it? Bout a buck 400, eighty nine ninety five my wire.

The difference is that that flashing actually modifies the stock settings. The main advantage is that you can tweak just about every parameter of the ecu, not just the basics like timing and fuel curve. The sky's the limit. And I'm really just starting to learn this shite; I'm no expert though I'm still alright with a wrench and a mill! It's just that times really have changed for tuning. A friend of mine who's a Ducati guy SWEARS by tuneboy and is constantly bumping 0's and 1's around in his bike's brain and his dyno sessions prove his annoying bragging most of the time. When he swaps cams, or does head work he can fine tune a lot of lesser variables, and it's all of the little things that add up to real power. I mean, nothing's going to change the motor like cam profile or porting, etc., but he's made some real gains messing with code.

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Would you like to tune every aspect of your Hayabusa's FI system?
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Then ECU Flashing may just be for you.
Your Suzuki Hayabusa 02-07 ECU has many racing ECU features built in, just waiting for you to tune. With a Boost by Smith interface you can now utilize your bike to it's full capacity. This includes tuning the vacuum area maps, TPS maps, ignition maps, making your engine run very smoothly when cruising, and put down as much safe hp to the ground as possible. With our interface you can also view engine sensor data to ensure correct operation of vacuum, ambient air, temperature, tps, gear position etc. sensors with a laptop connected. Previously all of this was available only for technical folks with a strong do it yourself ambition but by making this re-flashing interface for you we have tried to bring this new technology to everyone.

The interface I am offering is about a 5-10 minute install.

Hook a ground wire to the battery
Unlock the 34 pin ECU connector by pushing the white tab
Insert 4 wires into what were empty locations
T-tap or solder 1 wire onto the dash data wire also located at this 34 pin connector
Lock 34 pin connector back

That's it! With the small harness attached to the ecu connector you can remove the interface box except when you need to tune, that way you still have tons of trunk space left. Now just install the software, open up a base map, and you are ready to start unlocking the full potential of your Hayabusa.

To Install the LED shift light as pictured above, you will have to disconnect your flapper valve solenoid and insert the 2 male spade connectors into the existing connector on the bike, and run the wire up to the dash and mount the LED, a quick 5 minute install of a shift light.

Video of a flashed ECU revving to 11,500 RPM and controlling a LED shift light set to 10,800 RPM.

PetriK has blessed us with free software called ECUeditor which allows an enormous amount of tuning parameters, all with our stock 02-07 Hayabusa ECU. The software is available for download at http://busaecu.redirectme.net/. Some of the features include:

Ability to view all sensors data with a laptop connected
Ability to datalog all factory sensors on the motorcyle with a laptop connected for use in dyno tuning.
Ability to change fueling maps (both IAP and TPS maps), ram air compensation
Ability to change ignition maps (you can add timing in the lower gears like a TRE does without messing up your gear based fuel curves)
Increase your factory rev limiter (current software supports up to 11,650 RPM, more RPM is possible)
Remove the 6th gear speed restriction with the click of a button
Change ram air compensation based on your gearing
Compensate for larger fuel injectors needed for high hp applications
Compensate for increased fuel pressure needed for high hp applications
Increase ignition dwell time (turbo guys will like being able to open the plug gap back up some)
Disable IAT compensation for dyno testing
Turn your ECU into an ignition / fuel kill box for use with an air/co2 shifter
Control a shift light, or any RPM based output using the stock flapper valve circuit
Switch-able map selection for NOS, different turbo boost levels, fuel types etc
Share maps with people across the world and contribute to new exciting features constantly being introduced and implemented.
*There are new features and options constantly being added. Progressive boost and nitrous control for example are currently being worked on, as are many other features. Visit the ECU hack forum at CLICK-HERE for more information or with specific questions regarding flashing ECU's.

Tutorial Videos Below

Setting up proper comports www.boostbysmith.com/Videos/ecuvideo1.wmv

Setting up FTD for flashing www.boostbysmith.com/Videos/ecuvideo2.wmv

Basic Fuel / Ignition / Rev Limiter Changes www.boostbysmith.com/Videos/ecuvideo3.wmv

More Advanced Nitrous Tuning using MS feature, window, wot,etc. www.boostbysmith.com/Videos/ecuvideo4.wmv

*Dave Owen was well known in the motorcycle community and someone I considered a great friend. He played a huge role in the R&D for ECU flashing and has left behind two sons in his recent passing.

In Laurenberg, N.C. September 27, 2008 Dave "DaveO" Owen died suddenly by accident at the age of 48. David was born in Taunton to his parents David and Elizabeth (Ruble) Owen of Rochester. David and Lauren (Deane) Owen have lived in North Dighton most of his life. He leaves his children Joshua and Jacob Owen both of North Dighton. His sister Susan Owen and her husband Frank Ventura of Rochester. David was a professional motorcycle tuner and racer. Dave started Land Speed Racing in April of 2004. In his LSR career he made over 150 passes with 120 of them being over 200 MPH. His teams, Brock Davidson Enterprise Suzuki and O’Man Racing, have collectively held 18 records all over 200 MPH. His proudest moment occurred in September of 2007 when his oldest son Josh rode Dave’s unfaired bike to a speed of 200.552 MPH and earned his entry into the exclusive ECTA 200 MPH Club! A prouder father just does not exist. Dave’s second proudest accomplishment was achieved during the May 2006 meet when Rick Stetson captured the record and title of Worlds Fastest Naturally Aspirated Open Wheeled Motorcycle by piloting Dave’s bike which Dave owned, built and tuned, to a speed of 222.123 MPH. With this same bike Dave won the Super Streetbike Top Speed Challenge Unlimited All Motor Class in 2006, 2007 and 2008. Dave’s most current accomplishment came at the hands of Charlie Anstaett of Team DaveO. Charlie achieved a record setting top speed of 259.856 MPH piloting his own Turbo Hayabusa which Dave built and tuned while also serving as Charlie’s Crew Chief. Dave was a member of both the ECTA 200 MPH club and the Texas Mile 200 MPH Club. Dave’s top LSR speed was 239.3 MPH achieved at the Texas Mile in March of 2008. Dave also had the opportunity to attend Speed Week on the Bonneville Salt Flats in August of 2008 as a tuner for Scott Guthrie Racing which achieved the top open-wheeled motorcycle record of the meet at 253.297 MPH. He was a fixture at many of the motorcycle drag racing events and heavily involved with AMA Dragbike. He was a tuner for many of the top teams including the 2005 AMA Dragbike 1000 Supersport National Championship team Brock’s Performance with rider Rickey Gadson, the 2006 AMA Dragbike 1000 Supersport National Championship team Brock’s Performance with rider Vince Woska Jr. Dave was a racer’s racer regardless of where he was and always helped everyone including his competition. He never thought twice about sharing his knowledge. Dave attended Southampton College in Southampton, N.Y. in 1979 where he studied marine biology, physics and calculus. He earned his degree in electronics at Rhode Island Institute of Technology in Providence, R.I. in 1986. Dave loved his sons and friends, one of his greatest joys was spending time with Jake watching James Bond movies and listening to Pink Floyd

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and click on pics under flahing and you will get the info you want

Basically blue, what they're saying is a PC3 takes the stock signal and modifies it. Its placed between the ECU and the injectors.

Hub is saying, the shortest path is the quickest.

So, if for instance you cut out the middle man (PC3), the bike will hypothetically react smoother, and more precise.

Personally, i think you're grasping at straws. I can't see how a few thousandths of a millisecond can make any difference. Once its figured out, sure it will be cheaper then a power commander. BUT, with a power commander you can simply hook up to your laptop and make a change. You can't do that with a computer flash.

Computer flash: slightly (if any) better performance and cheaper.
PC3: Real world tuneability.

The end.

Likely the max benefit of a flash would be able to write into any data area/type you wish, unlike now, and it would be a cheaper method to change your 'settings, though not without some 'danger', as if the flash goes bad, you may have a unrideable bike and hard time replacing the ECu's ruined in'ards.

The advantage of flashing vs. the power commander is primarily in overall programability and the secondary benefit is the speed of processing and electronic simplicity. Flashing can do everything that the PC can do and do it better because it's done in the brain of the bike, not as peripheral add on. And it's also just a matter of jacking in to your bike's system with a laptop so the actual hookup for tuning is identical to the PC.

But the debate using software like tuneboy or boost by smith vs. the PC is hypothetical anyway because they don't make a version for the zx14 yet.

I simply think its ridiculous.

$250ish for a new pc3.

Simple to use, no risk of damaging your $1000+ ecu, plus there is a ton of support for it.

Personally, i see NO realistic advantages by flashing the computer.

and your behind in the time slowninja ..if a zx14 could be flash i'd be all over it ...cause unlike the pc3 the ecu fuel mapping is more precise with the fuel range and throttle positioning than any aftermarket pc3 ..

theres a ton of stuff that can be hacked into or flashed from the ecu ..its just like doing a pc3 but better

Well, I locked my sub back up and hacked the GPS twice. I have an induced lag [with wafers in play] and now tell me how the wafer is going to out compute a 1Atmo suck. Chipping is not going to do it. Did the ECU execute the lag on my ass? I doubt it ever will having something man made as in the N/A against the 1Atmo?

I am going to work in Tens and use zero to 5volts as my signal. I am stuck in a vacuum with 14.7 atmospheres and when I rep throttle, I doubt the 10's can catch up. So I am chasing infinity. If I bring up the time to 10ths of volts, have I caught up to the lag [in speed]?

Ram effect is lag my Reggie Ripper on the Mustang is that human sounding suck of air was it linear of a fill? Sounded human to me is gotta use earphones for the practical event is me laughing at a few thousands of time am I going to have to tell that rotty; that if you pull big numbers on the dyno... Scratch my balls I was on a less built bike is less HP than you, but my reflex is lag-gag-licious you could not catch up to the reflex no matter what kind of HP you put behind it is under year ass is.

Did the old man RG win a round a few weeks ago give or take a reflex? Can't look it up, but I sure did not change my riders for Dgracing as if I'd change Rossi for another rider, as if he needs more HP.

Fell on Jay's words: "And it's also just a matter of jacking in to your bike's system with a laptop so the actual hookup for tuning is identical to the PC." You cannot beat that walk of the talk. Watt say ye, the times lag the calc like you felt the lag as if the calc is going to know when I rip it?

No flash/No Cash/No windows platform will correct the lag. Note dough, data the sub-licious-lag-less chasing that lag does a decent job of it. And if you look at the Boosay, she has her flap hers queefing that lag is blow it up her skirt is queef it backacha > for every action <.

http://www.sctflash.com/X3GM.php

Oh boy! 3 saved Map piss on that! Choose 400 maps? I am going out to run a ram effect on the suck my balls from my cuffs is where they now sit. I am going to chip and dip is come right back to stock is my hand held tee-fit-ping. I am combo'd close the tail, puncture a lung in the t-body. That is 6-way scheduling >> Fly bye wire my 10th-ohm resistance is a (((one hit))) wonder. Push button my ass is.

Two questions: 1.Is that an aneroid manometer plumbed in to yer system? 2. What's up with that box-end? I am very interested in just what the hell is going on here.

See the red tee? ... he is golfing!

It's that broomstick jb welded or siliconed or something onto the side of the head that's got me scratching mine. Is it some kind of mid-air refueling device?

* Last updated by: JayFell on 3/19/2009 @ 11:08 AM *

Slow like everybody is saying by flashing your bikes memory you gain control over "EVERTHING" the computer does. Not just the fuel and timing like with a Power Commander. Probably a poor example but let's say your bike operates "best" I.E. lowest E.T. at a water temperature of 183 degrees, just a made up number for this example. But your bikes computer wants to run the bike at, let's say 175 degrees. By flashing the computer you can change that. By flashing the computer you can also raise your RPM cut off point to take advantage of those better rods and pistons you have. You could also tailor your secondary flies to open at the ideal rate for launch to possibly drastically cut down your 60 foot times. Wouldn't it be cool to set them up to open at just the ragged edge of traction no matter what position your throtal is in. That much less to worry about for launch. And, it would be a class legal traction control because they came stock on the bike??? The list is almost endless as to what you can change. The biggest problem I see is the amount of money you will have to spend on dyno time to check all the little tweaks you can do. That's probably why nobody has the kits available yet. R&D to just get in the ballpark for the company's would have to be high. Then you would still have to dial it in for your bike to get everything you could out of it. And yes I'm sure there might be a danger to flashing the memory. About the same as flashing the BIOS on your computers motherboard. I couldn't tell you how many motherboards I've flashed. I've only messed up one so far. But I understand the difference between a 150 dollar motherboard and a 1K, 14 computer. I'd be pretty worried about doing it my own self, LOL!!

* Last updated by: Philhnnss on 3/19/2009 @ 12:58 PM *