I am installing the full ct duel on my 2011 and have hit a grinding halt. The midpipe does not line up with the pipes coming from the header; the "collector" as it is called in the instructions, is to far apart or the midpipe sections that are suppose to mate to it are to close together. I cant push the two together and make it fit to save my life; any suggestions?

Sure you have the headers on the correct side?I know...dumb question...but if it was like mine...the header(s) were TWO separate pieces.I don't know if you could get it on there on the wrong sides or not....????Maybe?What exactly is hanging up those midpipe/muffler connections under there?(from muffler to collector pipe(s) )They should be able to freely connect,then you install the mufflers on their hangers.Have you tied turning the pipes any...any of those turned around the wrong way?

From Brock's site:
1. Four (4) Header Mount Flanges
2. Four (4) Spigots
3. One (1) Right and One (1) Left Side Header (Primaries)
4. One Collector
5. Package Containing Springs, Spring Puller, and Supplemental Information
6. One (1) Elbow (or two (2) if dual)
7. One (1) CT muffler (or two (2) if dual)
8. One Red Cap

Those 'elbows'(MIDPIPES) should be moveable,that is...twistable to get the correct angles for the muffler fitment.You are slipping the elbows OVER the the collector pipes ?Then the muffler slides OVER the elbow outlet.You're doing it like that,yes?And those spring hooks should be on top and bottom basically...the whole length of the system.(maybe not quite for the collectors...but the rest).Is your 'collector' welded together(two pipes side by side)?It has to slide on those header outlet ends...it can't go on there backwards.But it COULD go upside down....which may throw the rest of the parts out of whack.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:03 PM *

Can you include a picture to see how it looks like now?

Kofla

Riding My Own Biography
2010 ZX-14 MotoVlog

the headers and the pipes can only go on one way, the other ways will not work (i put the header flanges on backwords at first...), so its not that. I disconnected the right pipe from the headers and am trying to get the midpipe on befor I connect all four pipes to the headers and see if that works, but it looks like the pipes are not lining up with the headers if the other end of the pipes are lined up with the midpipe :((((((((((

Sounds like they're 'backwards'.You have the large OD end,and the small OD end.The large end goes OVER the pipe ahead of it(meaning...going from the rear to the front of the system.).All the way back...same fitment.So the gasses are not being pushed out of the joints.Tapered all the way back.You have to slip those pipes together,then twist em to get the correct clearances under there....That 'tab' on the right side midpipe(they're calling the midpipe an 'elbow')...you should connect that bolt in there where it goes against the frame.You have it like that?The left side HAS NO ATTACHMENT tab,or bolt holding the pipe in place.Line that bolt hole up and then install the bolt...without tightening.Now the 'collector' pipes should be able to be fitted onto the header outlets.You see what I mean,yes?Don't tighten anything(except the header bolts if ya want)But you may have to loosen those as well.

The spring loops should be lining up with the one it connects to on the next joint.If it's not...they aren't twisted correctly.Or on the wrong side.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:23 PM *

removing the right collector assembly kinda worked, the flanges are back inside their little holes and the midpipe is kinda on, is wd40 safe to put on it so it will be eaiser to push the midpipe were it needs to be?

am i making this more complicated than what it should be, Grn 14?

How about some plain old bearing grease?That works pretty well.Not sure about wd40....whether it'll stain the pipe or not?

I don't think you're complicating it...you just need to get those parts together,then adjust by twisting before you tighten everything down.Tightening the right side tab bolt will cause the midpipe to sit how it's supposed to be in there,and everything else should fit accordingly.Once that right side's on there...the left is a piece of cake.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:27 PM *

Kofla

Riding My Own Biography
2010 ZX-14 MotoVlog

* Last updated by: KoflaOlivieri on 4/12/2013 @ 6:43 PM *

There ya go!...awesome Kofla Apparently...that right side DOESN'T have a mounting tab on it....my bad.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:29 PM *

honestly, it really looks like the two parts of the midpipe that are suppose to mate with the collector assembly are to close together

maybe im just retarded.

It may 'look' like that....until you get er hooked together and you adjust some.

Can you take a pic of the whole thing(minus the header pipes that is)layed out so we can see?Your spring hooks/loops are lining up like that pic?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:35 PM *

yea, hold on

no pictures, t mobile dose not have service in tuscaloosa....

Okay...it needs to look like that picture...does it?Your collector is sitting like that?And the big ends are going OVER the smaller ends(outlet side) on those pipes?All the way back?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:46 PM *

the spring hooks are linned up, thats the only way i know which way it goes on

"the spring hooks are linned up, thats the only way i know which way it goes on"...no...maybe...maybe not.The ends of the joints HAVE to be sliding OVER the joint before it...is it like that?You're sure that collector is not sitting upside down,even if it's fitting on those header outlets?Sounds like it's upside down to me.All those joints should be sliding together and fitting.I doubt you could get that collector on those header pipe outlets if THEY were on the wrong sides.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 6:51 PM *

the midpipe is sliding over the pipes comeing from the headers, but its not fitting. it goes on a fraction of an inch and no matter how hard a push or twist or turn it dosnt get on

Don't try to push so hard...get the pipes started...and make sure the surfaces are in the same straight angle...then turn back and forth while lightly pushing.If ya get these pipes not completely straight with each other...they won't go on.

It's going on the pipe end?OVER the pipe end,yes?But only a small amount?Okay...if it's sliding on there all the way around the diameter....it just needs some help...get some grease and go for it again...grease that outlet end all the way around...and get the end started...then kinda wiggle the two parts and turn as well...if you can.I has to go on there if it's starting to go on there...otherwise...you could see that the two ends are the same diameter.They aren't,are they?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 7:01 PM *

no pictures, t mobile dose not have service in tuscaloosa....

And how do you make calls? I think it will works best if you ask a friend to take a picture for you and show us what the problem is. If your pipe is not lined up just like the picture I posted it is not going to work.

Kofla

Riding My Own Biography
2010 ZX-14 MotoVlog

It has to look like Kofla's pics as he said.Most excellent I might add;)

The tolerances on these pipes are VERY close.They don't have clamps...so they're supposed to fit snug.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 4/12/2013 @ 7:05 PM *

so, if i put the midpipe on just one of the collector assemblies, it slides like butter. if i out it on the other one it slides like butter, but when i try to put it on both at the same time... it slides none at all

may be a silly question but... you started at the collectors,added the header pipes correct? did you leave everything loose? important that everything is left loose until you get you lowers on and adjust if needed to not be to close to the plastic. plus pipes will not go together right if you tighten as you go. heres some pics of mine dont know if they will help or not