I have a birthday coming up and want to who is running the PC ignition module.
I happen to be running Ivan's map and PC without flies and do not want to spawn an Ivan/Brock debate.
I just want to know if the upgrade is worth the money. Will I see a remarkable increase in performance.

Secondly, I am toying around with the PC Air shifter that plugs in line with the other electronics for an added layer of fun.

BTW, I used to be 07Blanco on the old board.

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I don't know how 'remarkable' but a mod is a mod and there will be a slight change even if you ran a dynojet map, you would feel the change. It's not an argument with the tuners but with the engine changes you make are what sparks the controversy, birthday boy!

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By the way,I am glad that you are the performance guy. I always found you posts funny as hell and you know your chit. I already have a mapped bike. I am just curious if anyone has first hand experience to say that you can really "feel" the change in throttle response. I am about 90% sold because when I start thinking, that is Spanish for Im buying.
I just want to know if it is really noticable?

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Hi HMFIC

I have the PC, hub and ignition module on my 08. My gut feel so far is yes it does make a difference, a good one. Too many things going on at the same time for me to point to it and say that the benefits were all due to it.

After it was installed, I have a switch on the left bar to toggle between 2 maps. Bike is otherwise stock. Map 1 had dynojet fuel map + 4 deg advance, map 2 stock. I loved map 1, hate map 2.

On map 1, throttle is way more sensitive, more grunt down low, still has a surge at 3500rpm, working on that ;) Uses much less fuel, I think I got 300km from the tank. I've yet to do an accurate fuel run.

Bike is currently with a dyno shop to map the PC/hub/ignModule for each gear and several throttle positions. I think the hub (dynojet multi function hub! not uno-hoo ;) send the GPS to the PC and it can then store different trims for each gear. So there is only one map alive at a time (2 stored on board, switchable) but different fuel and ignition trims for each gear.

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Russty,
thanks for your reply.
I will provide an update when I add mine to the bike.

I am assuming that you did all of your upgrades at the same time? Your statement about the throttle at 3500RPM tells me that the module is probably the culprit (good) in this scenario. I am looking for more grunt and snappy throttle.
Again, I am not trying to spawn a piss match about tuners but Ivan told me last year that the difference between an Ignition module bike and non is a great as the difference I experienced going from stock to flies out.
That was a pretty bold statement but if it is even half I will be happy.

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The difference is so pronounced that I never ride on map 2! The ignition advance has made the throttle more sensitive and faster responding. stock settings feels slightly delayed, advanced reacts quicker and with greater sensitivity. but-dyno tells me that the engine feels stronger down low, with a little more ggrrrrrrowl form idle. I still think there is more there to be unleashed. Hopefully the dyno tune will unearth that for me.

Still not sure about the flies.

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Brock and Ivan approach the ZX-14 from different directions, it seems.

Both can sell you products and services which change the way your 14 runs. Heh.

I tend to pick whomever has the best success racing their parts and expertise. If it goes good in the real world, it gets my attention. The rest is just talk.

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Russty,
I'm buying the module! Im sold!
DO you ride you bike with flies in? If so, removal is a must do modification! It does not turn it into a monster, it really makes it easier to ride.

Privateer,
I agree about the two different approaches of the tuners. I just picked a line a stayed with it. Ivan's stuff has worked as described but I am sure that I would be equally pleased had I gone Brock instead. Since I am already in the Ivan camp, I will be ordering the ignition module from him because I also receive a revised PC map and I could not say anything bad about the previous one.
I do not race...I just ride and my bike performs smooth and flawless. I may have a different viewpoint if I went to the strip but I doubt that will ever happen.

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Flies in. I don't know what the module will do to a bike with no flies.

BUT (mwoo ha haa haar haaaarrr) the flies are coming out today and then it is being dyno tuned with different trims for each gear.

And because I also have the multi function hub installed, I can run 2 different maps so I will be able to compare maps "on the fly" with and without ignition advance.

Stay tooned

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Still not sure about the flies.

If you have a 06-07 it will make a huge difference. On an 08-09, not much differencee at all. I suspect a flies out tune would make the removal more worth while on a G2. My flies out 08 still has that jump in power at 3000 rpm. It's not the flies so it must be the stock f/a mixture I am still running.

long/short - if you're going to tune, might as well take 'em out no matter what year. Flies out will not harm any aspect of riding on any year bike.

Rook

* Last updated by: Rook on 4/16/2009 @ 8:16 PM *

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All,
we have experienced BIKEUS UPGRADEUS INTERRUPTUS!
I bought an R1 this afternoon. That new motor was just calling my name so there will be no ignition module in my future.
I gotta start saving pennies to get some exhausts! Those stock fukkkers are ugly but the bike is beautiful.

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I run both the dynojet module and pc111 .Both Ivan's Fuel and Ing maps. You all must try. You are all welcome to ride my bike and see for your self.

I do like what I am hearing on this thread. I would like to mention that you can figure this out. Just trying to help you with the steps as I see it and now, you are going to have to explain your end; if I am questioning the steps you are explaining.

BIKEUS UPGRADEUS INTERRUPTUS! < Look up the definition of, 'disease.' You hear fly or tre my pc... And you have those on your bike. (?) Dis is called a, disease. There is no cure, no drug, no antidote is all in your head [is the cure].

I have no aftermarket piggy parts on my bike. How come mine runs as smooth or [for all I know] maybe smoother than yours. How about you ride my bike is match your air pulse is poosea pull on that cable why don't cha-cha-cha. Wear ear plugs listening to that url.

By the way, I am glad that you are the performance guy. I always found you posts funny as hell and you know your chit.

I am just a line mechanic with a shop book in hand. I am a tuneup guy not a performance guy. I do not have a dyno in my garage [don't I wish].

We all have an assfactory though, so you and I are basically on level ground. I make plenty of mistakes is a throttle body sitting in a box not knowing watt I know know [now in hindsight] about the book slapping me all over the place. So, you are more or less laughing at the lame ass mistakes I make, kicking my ass for it, laugh about it. I am tearing in my glass is laughing so hard; I am just a, Dickhead.

I more or less try to keep you out of having your ass reamed from that disease, but it is your choice and once you cry "MAP"

What do you think I am doing in my glass is just about gonna.......

OK, I had to stop going dare. WATT I really wanted to relay here is; the PC, nor any other piggy is hooked to/uses a wire for/has never had a wire attached to the GPS. Therefore, there are no gear maps but crank maps more or less, think like that in the tuneup if you disabled the GPS with a 3wV [book speak for a 3 wire variable set in stone is ask, Mr. Ohm].

Do you see a gear map now? That is more the FI disease I have is. I run bone stock and 'Puddles' jumps off the ground stock; as bone as bone can be. This tuneup uses no piggy.
The disease is chronic... DFI (Diseases Full [of] Indigestion).... No, nothing helps is not ass pin/cough is syrup/mom's old boil brew/skis is nothing helps dis disease is...

Do not get any on you, is it spreads. And no, you cannot use is the "from unda cheeze" between your assfactor tune and your ball ripples. Nope, not even that cheese spread helps.

Turn it up! Spread this in year ears is WOT is left of them... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjou0zRJZBE&feature=related

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See my post on this: ECU Failure & PC IM

I have Ivan's IM map. IMHO it was built entirely seat of the pants. I had to tweak it to get a reliable idle. It did work until my ECU took a dump and I suspect the PC IM may have caused the ECU failure.

I have had no problems with my ING module what so ever. What did Ivan say ? From your link(the surge idle issue). I have seen this twice now. Both times with just pc installs. Spent allot of time thinking it was just a bad ground or a bad map. After resetting throttle position, the surge idle stopped. Fluke maybe. I was thinking that my throttle pos (PC3 info)may have been giving false map info to the injectors. If pc was telling the injector to give fuel when in fact the bike was being told by the ecu to stay idle, will this equal a conflict ? I'm not sure, but if the ecu wants to stay idle and the power commander keeps dumping in fuel, here is our surge idle?(same thing) Will this conflict back and forth do any damage ? I have not spoken to anyone about this so please remember this was my experience and I thought you should know. I am Sorry to here this. Please post your findings. Cheers. I hope others can fill in the blanks.